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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 11, 2011 13:51:46 GMT -5
leaf fans are nuts. 82-0, parade, here we come
Is brodeur finished, already giving up starts to hedberg?
How is adam larrson playing 25 min a game as an 18 year old?
and why did neurvith start the first game of the season?
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Post by Hawks on Oct 11, 2011 15:11:47 GMT -5
Holy smokes Grabner finally buried one!
Insanely close game against the Rangers, 3rd period rally to earn the W.
Timmy's gotta be more consistent in net, 88% doesn't cut it for me, would help if I could get those shots against down a bit.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 11, 2011 17:21:46 GMT -5
My D is clearly not gonna be my best asset this season, but I am extremely satisfied with the O so far. The Z Kulie and Sharp line is performing better than I envisioned. Adjustments need to be made on D but im glad to be 3-1 at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 4:23:09 GMT -5
Pretty surprised (but obviously happy) to start the season 6-1, especially with some tough opponents. Ice time distribution has been perfect and nobody is getting tired (depth!). Points seem to be spread out "ok" but really need to get a few guys kickstarted, and a special teams tweak might be in order.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 12, 2011 13:14:16 GMT -5
Even though we're only at games 5-8, I don't think the top 5 in the West will change (Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, Calgary and Edmonton). It definitely looks like there will be a lot of competition between those 5 teams though. My goal for the season is 6th. Despite a winning record, I'm a bit disappointed with the team so far since we haven't really had a tough schedule to start the year. Nice to see some great chemistry between Berglund and Heatley. Santorelli seems to fit in pretty well beside them too. I really need Stamkos and the top line to get going. Hemsky has 1 assist in 5 games, Tavares only 2 assists in 5 games, and Stamkos only 3 points in 5 games (all goals though). Seidenberg and Lidstrom are a combined -9 too
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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2011 13:30:59 GMT -5
We need to improve our D, for sure. We will be visited by a very good Blues team tomorrow, and it should be a good test, to see where we are at. Power Play still number 1 in the league, and our only real bright spot this early in the season. Offense not bad, but we can't continue to give up a goal for everyone we score.
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2011 15:07:36 GMT -5
Another fine lackluster effort put out by Tim Thomas. Another 88% day.
I firmly believe his ratings are below what they should be. How do you set a SV% NHL RECORD and end up the same OV as most of the other goalies in the league? Then to top it off, give him a shitty "SZ" rating so he can't save anything?
Can't win them all I guess, but it would be nice to pull out SOME wins against the top teams. So far my losses are to SJ, Calgary, and Detroit...if I can't beat any of the top teams, it makes it hard to see the point of trying at all.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 12, 2011 16:17:12 GMT -5
I firmly believe his ratings are below what they should be. How do you set a SV% NHL RECORD and end up the same OV as most of the other goalies in the league? If you want I can hide OV, that way people won't get worked up over a useless stat.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 12, 2011 16:27:19 GMT -5
If you're curious how goalie attributes are created...
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Here goes information on the goalie ratings.
Goalie Ratings
Goalie ratings are more difficult then skater ratings in terms of matching specific attributes against a NHL statistic. For example goals are easy to correlate with scoring. What NHL stat can be used for hand speed or agility or reaction time? Also how do you rate the GAA of a goalie playing 10 games as a back up versus a NHL 65 game starter? Another problem with many rating packs is that an average of many NHL stats is used and then many of the goalie attributes are the same for the player across the board. Simon created 14 different attributes for goalies and it was my goal to make each attribute unique and not have across the board numbers for goalies. What was created below is not perfect, but it will give ratings based on NHL stats with unique attributes for each goalie that should make things interesting for Gm’s.
Concept #1: Generally the goalies who play more games are judged to be the best in the game and more highly regarded than goalies that play a split role in 40 games per year or a backup role of 20 some games per year. However, many of the stats like GAA or Save % can be the same or similar. Therefore, for each of the tables, the tables were broken out with the following ranges: Games played 66+ from 70 to 95, 57-65GP 68-91, 49-56GP 66-87, 41-48GP 64-84, 33-40GP 62-80, 25-32GP 60-76, 16-24GP 58-73, 8-15GP 56-70, and 1-7GP 54-67.
Concept #2: An overall average or rating needed to be calculated, but we did not want to fall into the trap of having every attribute for a goalie being the same. Therefore, we calculated an overall average and then for each attribute used 30% of the overall average and 70% of a unique statistic.
SK – Skating: For skating, we used the overall composite for this rating. The components that we used for this was from shots against per game, winning percentage with a bonus for shutouts, save percentage, short handed save percentage, and goals against average.
DU – Durability: This stat was based on games played.
EN- Endurance: The following formula was used for endurance: =ROUND(MAX(O3,(70+O3)/2),0) where column O was the durability calculation. The second part of the formula bumped up the endurance rating for goalies with durability under 70. The concept or thought was that even a goalie that only played a few games would have an endurance capable of completing a game or two.
SZ – Size: This was taken from 50% height and 50% weight.
AG – Agility: 30% was taken from the composite rating. 70% was taken with the following formula =MIN(90,AE3*2-AH3) where AE is the composite rating and AH is the SZ rating. In essence, it worked opposite SZ with the assumption that 2 goalies with the same stats, but unequal size would mean the smaller goalie would need higher agility to match the larger goalie. For example 2 goalies with an equal composite of 75, but sizes of 80 and 70 would have the SZ 80 goalie with a AG of 70 and the SZ 70 with an AG of 80.
RB – Rebound Direction: 30% from the composite rating and 70% from a derived stat of 60-shots against per game/60. In essence a stat using inverted shots against to work in an excel lookup function. The thought behind a correlation of shots against and rebound direction is that a goalie with better rebound direction/control will generally give up less shots per game.
SC – Style Control: Wow, what is style control? We used the 30% composite and derived a new stat for the remaining 70%. The stat combined possible points from a W-L record and added in a bonus for shootouts. Possible points took (w+l+OTL) *2. Points won took W*2+OTL*1. Then 1 bonus point was added for each shutout. The total points was then divided by possible points to derive a percentage that was applied against a table. In essence a combination of winning percentage and shutouts gave a goalie style points.
HS – Hand Speed: 30% from the composite and 70% from save percentage. The thought was a high save percentage would correlate to hand speed.
RT – Reaction Time: 30% from the composite and 70% from special team save percentage when the goalies team was short handed. The thought was high reaction time was needed for a higher save percentage when short handed.
PH – Puck Control: 30% from the composite and 70% from goals against average. The thought was that keeping the puck out of the net is the ultimate in puck control.
PS – Penalty Shots: 30% from the composite and 70% from shootout save percentage.
The above it not perfect, but it does provide for unique attributes for each goalie with statistics that can somewhat correlate with various attributes. In the end, the SK rating provides as a composite that is used in 30% of the other ratings to keep some sort of overall tendency.
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2011 16:38:41 GMT -5
I firmly believe his ratings are below what they should be. How do you set a SV% NHL RECORD and end up the same OV as most of the other goalies in the league? If you want I can hide OV, that way people won't get worked up over a useless stat. lol, doesn't change the fact that Thomas is rated as a literal midget, lol I'm aware how the ratings are calculated, I'm questioning their use within the sim itself. How important is a rating like "SZ"? Is it more important than RT?
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 12, 2011 16:47:14 GMT -5
I'm aware how the ratings are calculated, I'm questioning their use within the sim itself. How important is a rating like "SZ"? Is it more important than RT? Skating - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Secondary) Durability - The higher the stat, less chance to get injure. Endurance - Uses in the post-game fatigue formula. Size - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Secondary) Agility - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Secondary) Rebound Control - The higher the stat, less chance for a rebound Style Control - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Primary) Hand Speed - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Primary) Reaction Time - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a shot. (Primary) Puck Control - The higher the stat, better chance to intercept puck when puck is dumped. Penalty Shot - The higher the stat, better chance to stop a penalty shot. Considering all the time and effort we've all put in over the years, I find it quite shocking that more people don't read the manuals and/or read the sim msg boards for further information!
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2011 16:55:32 GMT -5
Huh...so, Tim Thomas, who's the highest rated goalie in all 3 of the "Primary" stats, has put up shit numbers in 6 out of 8 games. Thats really weird to me.
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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2011 18:22:16 GMT -5
Huh...so, Tim Thomas, who's the highest rated goalie in all 3 of the "Primary" stats, has put up shit numbers in 6 out of 8 games. Thats really weird to me. That's cuz your fukin team sucks, and Thomas wants to be traded. ;D
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2011 18:34:07 GMT -5
Lol, I'm not angry. I'm just venting some frustration.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 12, 2011 18:49:11 GMT -5
Huh...so, Tim Thomas, who's the highest rated goalie in all 3 of the "Primary" stats, has put up shit numbers in 6 out of 8 games. Thats really weird to me. Well, let's see..... Thomas is 6th in GAA and 9th in SV%. Obviously not the best but far from the worst when you're in the top 10 of both. Your team is 5th best in goals against per game and your penalty kill is 3rd best. Seems to me your 20th ranked PP and 19th best goals per game are your problem, not Thomas. Maybe some line shuffling is needed to generate some more offensive support
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