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Post by CanesGM on Sept 22, 2013 12:32:15 GMT -5
It's a genius use of cap space. You can't sign picks or prospects in FA, but you can make smart signings and parlay them into assets. That move alone gets my vote for GM of the year. I agree - Coach G playing well within the rules and speeding up his rebuild in a major way. Well done. Jake also made strong point. With it being too difficult to track, the current system is likely the way things should continue. EXACTLY, like i tor not, there is no rule in place to prevent it or an easy way to track it. I am in another league that uses a "player agent" when it comes to FA and if this happened there, it would count against them in free agency. Well played for a rebuild coach!!
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 22, 2013 13:27:15 GMT -5
The way the sim program has progressed it would actually be pretty easy to keep track of now. But since nobody seems to have an issue, I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 25, 2013 15:09:04 GMT -5
Now that it passed, just want to say amazing trade for the Panthers. Aside from 1 off year, I've always been a big fan of Stewart. Only 26, on a good contract, with a 71 overall and solid core ratings. For Bo Horvat? Deja vu
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Post by Sharky on Oct 23, 2013 20:10:42 GMT -5
Is it just me or is that trade crazy... 5 years of Pavelski essentially for Zucker, a 2nd, and a massive cap hit, assuming Winnik and Brodziak roughly cancel out. Even if Sharp does rebound, he isn't particularly useful this year, and after that he only has 1 year left on his contract.
I keep my mouth shut for most trades, but ones like this just make me cringe... I don't see a benefit to LA in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 0:51:30 GMT -5
I don't see a benefit to LA in any way. I don't see how LA improves or benefits from this deal either, at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 14:31:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised that Jake and I were the only ones to comment on the LA/Tor deal, and that it passed for that matter. That really might be the worst trade that has ever gone through. If that got passed then no trade should ever be rejected.
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Post by Stars GM on Oct 25, 2013 15:03:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised that Jake and I were the only ones to comment on the LA/Tor deal, and that it passed for that matter. That really might be the worst trade that has ever gone through. If that got passed then no trade should ever be rejected. I did not comment on the trade but I did pretty swiftly reject it. I think I was the third vote and second reject. The trade does not make much sense to me either.
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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 25, 2013 15:58:38 GMT -5
Im actually surprised there was this much uproar.
Sharp is expensive, but hes still a 2nd line guy this year. He has 5 pts in 10 games, sure, but i think hes shown over the long term that hes a great sim player. Its not as if zucker isnt a good prospect...
I still think toronto won this trade, but not by more than 5 or 10%. Its not like pavelski has EVER been rated as a 1st line player in our league.
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Post by gmcanucks on Oct 25, 2013 16:07:11 GMT -5
That really might be the worst trade that has ever gone through. If that got passed then no trade should ever be rejected. Seriously - "the worst trade that has ever gone through" - I don't think so. I actually have no problem with the deal. Winnik and Brodziak is pretty well a wash. That means LA got Patrick Sharp, still a quality second line player; Jason Zucker, a pretty good prospect, who's already played at the NHL level; and a second round pick for Joe Pavelski. Now Pavelski's a good player, and maybe he might have been a better long term asset than Sharp for a team rebuilding like LA, but if Zucker becomes a productive NHLer and the second round pick becomes a roster player, it looks pretty even to me.
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Post by Philly on Oct 25, 2013 16:18:04 GMT -5
That really might be the worst trade that has ever gone through. If that got passed then no trade should ever be rejected. Seriously - "the worst trade that has ever gone through" - I don't think so. I actually have no problem with the deal. Winnik and Brodziak is pretty well a wash. That means LA got Patrick Sharp, still a quality second line player; Jason Zucker, a pretty good prospect, who's already played at the NHL level; and a second round pick for Joe Pavelski. Now Pavelski's a good player, and maybe he n=might have been a better long term asset than Sharp for a team rebuilding like LA, but if Zucker becomes a productive NHLer and the second round pick becomes a roster player, it looks pretty even to me. I would agree with you Joe, when I first looked at it I thought Mike got too much lol By far there have been many trades worse, I think I made a few myself. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but that doesn't make their opinion right.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 25, 2013 16:40:16 GMT -5
That really might be the worst trade that has ever gone through. If that got passed then no trade should ever be rejected. but if Zucker becomes a productive NHLer and the second round pick becomes a roster player, it looks pretty even to me. I agree with you that this is far from the worst trade we have seen, but the logic above kills me. The same logic can be applied to any prospect because any of them can become good players, but the chance they do that is usually low. In the case of Zucker, a 21 year old prospect with a solid history of production in the AHL, I'd give him a 50:50 chance of making it. Our opinions also differ on Sharp, who has a massive contract and is currently rated as a mediocre 2nd liner. With his terrible start to the NHL season, things right now are looking worse for next year. In my opinion, he has very little value. Put it this way, Chris Stewart, a player who at the very least is comparable in value to Pavelski (I'd prefer Pavelski), netted the 9th overall pick in a very good draft. The Leafs actually said in this thread that was a fantastic deal for Florida too, inferring Stewart could have gotten more in return. When Pavelski is moved for an overpaid winger, a 2nd, and a "7.5C"ish prospect, well I think that isn't close to the 9th overall pick. Of course this is just my opinion. I would think that would go without saying given this is the "opinions on trades" thread, although that gets brought up every time a deal is rejected. The way the league works is if the majority of people's "opinion" is that the trade sucks, it will be rejected. So of course peoples opinions matter... just getting sick of hearing the obvious repeated. This deal was legally passed and I honestly do not care. I do think the fact that most trades in this league are passed without more than 1 reject vote is a sign that this is a lopsided trade though, given 5-6 GMs rejected it. Jon, myself, Adam, and Graham among them. Not the worst deal I've seen by a long stretch, but I hate having to defend myself after rejecting a deal, and I hate even more when people start taking it personally (and those people are often not even involved in the trade).
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Post by Philly on Oct 25, 2013 16:56:47 GMT -5
Why do you feel you have to defend yourself, no one said anything about your opinion whatsoever. You have a right to it, as do we all. What's the prob Jake. Like you said it's over let's move on, but yet more comments, 3 more jabs after the fact. So it was time for Joe and I to speak up.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 25, 2013 17:06:09 GMT -5
Why do you feel you have to defend yourself, no one said anything about your opinion whatsoever. You have a right to it, as do we all. What's the prob Jake. Like you said it's over let's move on, but yet more comments, 3 more jabs after the fact. So it was time for Joe and I to speak up. I got PMs about rejecting the trade. The time to speak up was actually during the voting process, but that is another argument.
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Post by Philly on Oct 25, 2013 17:11:11 GMT -5
Why do you feel you have to defend yourself, no one said anything about your opinion whatsoever. You have a right to it, as do we all. What's the prob Jake. Like you said it's over let's move on, but yet more comments, 3 more jabs after the fact. So it was time for Joe and I to speak up. I got PMs about rejecting the trade. The time to speak up was actually during the voting process, but that is another argument. Lol We all do it, that's why we don't have a committee any more. I gave Rob shit for rejecting one of my trades. Guess when it comes to bad trades even your buddies reject them. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5
Based on current ratings, current NHL production, contract to UFA status and 3.6mil in additonal salary, if one other GM in this league (besides LA) would rather have Sharp than Pavelski, I'd shoot myself! Adding Zucker and a very late 2nd isn't exactly icing on the cake.
And unless I misunderstood what Jake was saying, if people not even involved in the trade are sending PMs, that's a little ridiculous!
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