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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -5
For the record, I would never vote against a trade regardless of who is involved. It's stupid. Don't feel the need to change it on my account. Commenting publicly on deals and measuring who won is a worthless exercise, however. Not all deals are made to be won outright and having such a practice only enforces the need among GMs to feel like they have to come out the clear winner. This, in effect, leads to fewer trades because GMs are scared to be seen as losing a deal. In this scenario I said "what am I missing?" because I didn't understand the deal from your perspective. You said "he takes all the risk giving up likely better pieces with little to no reward unless guys outperform what they have shown so far." I said, do a little more research before making trade votes (and spouting off on the boards). I guess we'll agree to disagree. No issues...I'll have to learn to dish it as well I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 14:14:43 GMT -5
And if you (and others) think Pulock is a future NHLer (and good one at that) then I can see how you don't give up the better pieces and perhaps guys don't have to outperform what they have shown. So as mentioned that assessment of even one guy can totally swing how people look at the deal.
We will have to agree to disagree on Pulock's upside but that is what makes this league and this discussion fun, in my view.
Edit: I would say "dish it" is a poor way to look at it. I am not trying to insult or negatively approach anything here just giving my two cents (which I have already said likely amounts to not much). Maybe it was the wrong choice of words but it still seems like you are taking this as some sort of negative you vs. me type of thing when it is just hockey talk about the value and upside of guys.
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 14:21:55 GMT -5
Anyone lookin for a #9 - #11 player to draft that is likely to play in the NHL this year it would be Lawson Crouse and maybe Mikko Rantanen, although it's likely Rantanen a yr away.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 14, 2015 14:25:08 GMT -5
Woah, way too busy to go through all these posts but I really don't get the outrage from some people. It's a pretty even steven deal people. One guy likes picks, the other wants to rebuild sooner. Done. Moving on..
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 14, 2015 14:37:51 GMT -5
Where's Darren to lighten the mood when ya need him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
Where's Darren to lighten the mood when ya need him When I eat apples, I cut them into four pieces. I'm eating one right now. My co-worker has hard-boiled eggs. I hate eggs. So I'm not trading an apple for an egg. Some people hate apples probably. People who don't have teeth would hate apples so hard. They'd love hard-boiled eggs. If I ever have a hard-boiled egg, which I won't because I fucking hate eggs, I'd trade it for an apple in a heartbeat. Hashtag trade talk
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 14, 2015 15:14:43 GMT -5
You aren't forced to defend anything, thats a choice. Could just as easily NOT comment and let time speak for itself. That's what everyone should do, in my opinion. Show some respect for your fellow GMs opinion and intentions. If you have to vent about a trade, IM your buddy. I don't need to hear your opinions on my deals or anyone else's for that matter. I'm pretty confident I know what I'm doing and don't really have any interest in what other GM's think. Will I make a mistake occassionally? Of course. But we all will. Ok to play's Devils's advocate on this one, what extra fun or enjoyment did a couple of guys criticizing Scot and Chris' trade add to our league? Just trying to understand the logic.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 14, 2015 15:21:45 GMT -5
Ok to play's Devils's advocate on this one, what extra fun or enjoyment did a couple of guys criticizing Scot and Chris' trade add to our league? Just trying to understand the logic. Personally I like the heated debates, at the very least it shows people care, so to speak. As long as it's never personal I don't think anyone should take it personally. Of course some people will say that even though it wasn't a "personal" attack that it attacks their judgement thus making it personal, but I think that's being too sensitive and looking to pick a fight.
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 15:26:56 GMT -5
I think we had stopped commenting on trades during the voting process for awhile, seems we have gone back to that. I can remember how bad it use to be, when guys would encourage others to reject a trade they didn't like, that makes anyone furious. We had decided to talk about them after the vote is over, let's try to keep it that way, if possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:46:58 GMT -5
WINGS SHOCK AND AWE STRATEGY WORKING - SORT OF
I'm gonna take the high road here and say sorry for somehow causing such an uproar. I'm against trade voting and discussing trades on boards, but if it's something you all need to keep to make it interesting, so be it. All I was venting about, to be honest, is if you're going to comment on a deal publicly why not take more than a few minutes to research the players involved and all angles before making an uninformed comment. I can take educated criticism as well as the next person and there's been plenty in this thread about my trade. Is it a risk, yeh, big one, but I'm not afraid of taking risks so who cares. Joe was quick to message me and question my last deal. I explained it, he half-bought it, and that's Ok. I'd much prefer if you want to understand my reasoning on a deal before voting that you message me and ask me to defend it. If you don't like the answer vote accordingly.
On the subject of taking my ball and going home, I'd be lying if I didn't consider it earlier today. But I promised Joe and all of you I would commit and I'm not the kind of person to back down on a challenge especially if it involves fantasy hockey.
All that said, the last thing I wanted to do was comment on deals but if they're going to be made about my trades, I'm going to return the favour.
Thx
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:48:22 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:50:37 GMT -5
Ok to play's Devils's advocate on this one, what extra fun or enjoyment did a couple of guys criticizing Scot and Chris' trade add to our league? Just trying to understand the logic. Show me a post on here where someone criticized the trade. If you are talking about how people have had fun talking about the deal I found it interesting to see that how highly Jon thought of Pulock, that Eug thought Detroit came out ahead on the deal. I would also say while not "fun" per se the point about wanting to speed up the rebuild was a good aspect pointed out that made me understand more about the reasons Scot made the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:52:27 GMT -5
Uninformed?
Lol
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 16:00:25 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. It was the dumbest move I ever saw by a GM in this league. I also think there were other reasons behind it, but it's all water under the bridge at this point.
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 14, 2015 16:02:54 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. I didn't think it was a terrible trade. The Islanders did get 5 young NHLers. Not prospects. Real honest to goodness NHLers. Turris and Vlasic are quality players. At the time, Stewart and Gardiner were considered players who could be impact guys and still are to a certain extent. Even Reimer had value at the time.
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