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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 7, 2018 7:38:24 GMT -5
This was fun to read. Last year I traded all of my picks simply because I knew that around draft time last year I was going to be on vacation, and not close to my phone (I had a few thirds and a fourth I think). Maybe not a hockey GM move but could have just been some alternative life factors involved with it.
Also we are all grown, let's just discuss it without threatening to leave the league. Especially over 3rd round picks....jesus
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Post by Isles-Aaron on Sept 7, 2018 7:56:26 GMT -5
Love the passion in this league! Love being here!
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Post by RangersRon on Sept 7, 2018 10:18:20 GMT -5
I think it is good to have honest debate and bring back a little passion. This trade was definitely good enough to pass, over years I probably done same equal for equal in another year. It should always pass and I probably only kicked less than 10 trades especially last few years because of talented guys we have in this league who know what they are doing. No one should get upset over debate, it's good for league to show a heartbeat in off season and keep juices flowing here. Nice job to all. But I do agree that trades like this should be automatic.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 11:06:01 GMT -5
If giving someone something for nothing ever becomes automatic, I think I'll be the one quitting.
I wish I could take all my draft picks and take 2 years off them for nothing spent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 11:17:49 GMT -5
It’s clearly not something for nothing... lol that argument holds no water. It’s not dollars for pennies, it’s dollars for dollars another time. There’s literally nothing that says sooner is better than later. If the guys I want in the draft aren’t there at my picks I will gladly trade them away for later picks with a smile on my face that I get to try again another time.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 11:26:28 GMT -5
It’s clearly not something for nothing... lol that argument holds no water. It’s not dollars for pennies, it’s dollars for dollars another time. There’s literally nothing that says sooner is better than later. If the guys I want in the draft aren’t there at my picks I will gladly trade them away for later picks with a smile on my face that I get to try again another time. It is something for nothing. A 2018 pick has more value than a 2020 pick, if you don't think it does, I'll be more than happy to swap any of my 2021 picks for your 2019 picks in a split second. Wanna swap 1sts? Chi 2021 1st for Buff 2019 1st, should I post it? I'm betting you won't do it, for the same reason I'm making here, but if you really think its exactly the same, lets do it. I make that challenge to anyone arguing for this deal, put your money where your mouth is please.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 11:32:42 GMT -5
Did you just blindly type and not read my post? I just said if my targets aren’t there I would gladly do it. We just had one of these trades so clearly people are putting their money where their mouth is...
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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 11:33:22 GMT -5
I rejected this trade, I knew it would pass anyway, but it's my way of a protest vote. Some of you guys over react, and that ruins any positive thinking or talking in a polite manner, and talking soon turns in to whining.
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Post by WHALERS_GM_AL on Sept 7, 2018 11:38:43 GMT -5
I see what you guys are saying, and you see it in the NHL all the time, where a team send two later picks for an earlier pick.
I was offered players for it, but they did not interest me, and I did not want to add any salary. So when the offer for same pick in a different year was offered, I took it.
If I wanted to keep my pick, then that would be a different story and I would have asked for an additional pick, but the point is that I do not want it, so getting a similar pick in a different year was good for me.
Like it has been said, a third is a third, no matter the year. The only difference, is that, when 2020 comes around, it may be an earlier pick or a later pick that what the 2018 pick is.
And that is my gamble to take...
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 11:38:58 GMT -5
Did you just blindly type and not read my post? I just said if my targets aren’t there I would gladly do it. We just had one of these trades so clearly people are putting their money where their mouth is... If your targets aren't there? What does that mean? A specific player? How can anyone know who is available or not available when we haven't even started the draft yet. You wanna make a move like this when its your spot to draft and you see nobody interesting, thats a bit different. Doing it now is just a gift.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 11:43:44 GMT -5
I see what you guys are saying, and you see it in the NHL all the time, where a team send two later picks for an earlier pick. I was offered players for it, but they did not interest me, and I did not want to add any salary. So when the offer for same pick in a different year was offered, I took it. If I wanted to keep my pick, then that would be a different story and I would have asked for an additional pick, but the point is that I do not want it, so getting a similar pick in a different year was good for me. Like it has been said, a third is a third, no matter the year. The only difference, is that, when 2020 comes around, it may be an earlier pick or a later pick that what the 2018 pick is. And that is my gamble to take... So why not ask for an additional later pick? Something. Fuck, had you guys just tossed a 2022 5th on this I doubt anyone would have cared, I certainly wouldn't, I'd still think it was a silly deal, but at least it wouldn't just be a gift. "I don't want my pick" seems like a weak reason to just give another GM something for free. And what if that pick is 10 spots lower? What if Toronto wins the presidents that year and you don't make the playoffs? Then you lose years and spots...for nothing.
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Post by WHALERS_GM_AL on Sept 7, 2018 11:58:07 GMT -5
To be honest, I never even thought of asking for an additional pick; I simply saw it as a 3rd for a 3rd, nothing more nothing less
I am not giving anything for free.
And if Toronto makes it all the way, the worse is I go back 3 spots; most likely the player available will have similar value as the player picked now; again nothing gained and nothing lost from my point of view
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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 12:00:16 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just dumb, and after 72 years on earth know nothing, but I've always thought a bird in the hand is worth a little more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:06:11 GMT -5
How is it any different if someone waits until it is their pick or trades it now. Maybe I am doing it for one player but maybe someone else doesn’t like the whole third round range of players. If sooner is more valuable than later, that shouldn’t be an issue to you. I also brought up that’s there’s a chance the future pick is a better player and you say that’s not a good argument but yet you bring up how it could be a worse player as an argument. It doesn’t work both ways.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 12:07:41 GMT -5
And if Toronto makes it all the way, the worse is I go back 3 spots; most likely the player available will have similar value as the player picked now; again nothing gained and nothing lost from my point of view Where you getting 3 spots from? Nobody knows what kinda roster they are gonna have 2 years from now, crazy things happen in the NHL. You could potentially lose as many 25 spots. I doubt many would trade for 25 spots down in the same draft year for nothing additional. Nobody knows what the 2020 draft is gonna look like, either with players or draft positions, that should be taken into account as part of the value of the pick.
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