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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2009 16:23:26 GMT -5
After much speculation by some of the leagues top "experts", the Red Wings are sad to announce they did not see the whale! With whispers from the shadows of such high caliber names as Malkin, Heatley, or even a player like Richards, the anticipation could not have been greater. Unfortunately, the anticipation was the only thing to get excited about. Were there offers? sure. Were they close to the caliber some claimed the pick would garnish? Not even remotely! We are not looking to take away from our team with this deal, as ALL of the offers included trading our high caliber young talent, in addition to the pick! One GM even went so far as to say that a deal that had been mutually agreed upon in principle, could only be done if they knew the pick would be the #1 or #2. Obviously that is impossible to tell, so the whole point of even discussing a deal and sending PMs back and forth was a blatant and intentional waste of time. All told there was a whopping total of 4 (two from the same team) official offers, and one blatant waste of time offer. Personally not so impressive for a pick that was supposed to bring some crazy, amazing, fantastic return! I guess you guys really know your stuff! I also must add that I find it highly amusing/interesting that out the the two biggest opposers/whiners of the trade (Toronto & Montreal) one sent the worst offer out of the bunch, and the other suddenly completely backed off of a player he said he would move for the pick. Go figure, what a shocker! An obviously intentional and blatant Calgary cockblock? This whole thing was a fucking joke! Who wants to see the offers? If the GMs really thought they were good, quality offers for such a high caliber pick, there is no reason they should be embarrassed by me posting what they sent
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Post by AvsGM on Jan 17, 2009 22:53:55 GMT -5
With whispers from the shadows of such high caliber names as Malkin, Heatley, or even a player like Richards lol, that was actually pretty funny! As I try not to get involved with others board disputes, I will say I think this whole situation was handled extremely poorly. And if what Adam is saying about the offers is true (there has not been a dispute) then I am very disappointed in all of you honestly. How can you fight so vigorously to defend something, yet not be willing to give anything up to acquire it? Btw, that is rhetorical. I am not looking for answers or explanations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 1:15:52 GMT -5
Detroit trades the pick for......some cheese with that whine Seriously, it's over and done with. Get over it. The trade was rejected because you could ask for more than just frolov. Frolov is not worth a top 5 pick, and he would not magically improve your teams chance of winning. And what? Just because the trade was rejected you wanted all 24 teams to send in an offer to make you feel better? Perhaps when the trade deadline rolls around or after the season is over you will receive more offers. But you caught us. Everybody is trying to cockblock calgary, we are jealous of him and everything that he stands for. Nice sleuthing gumshoe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 2:07:28 GMT -5
Im gonna just keep this short i agree with Phil "isles" like we did this to help you out. Your team isnt really going anywhere you have good picks which will be atleast top 5 next draft, and you give it up for frolov LIKE ARE YOU SERIOUS. Im not no hockey expert but seriously i know i can get more for a high pick. Last season when i asked you about stamkos pick you named off a whole bunch of guys you would want for the 1st pick. Then you go off and are willing to trade your 1st 2009 for just frolov. He's a good player but hes not worth that pick.
Yeah we did it because we scared of Calgary( no disrespect to Calgary) he is a very good GM just look at his team. wE dont want him getting anymore good players. Like com'on Frolov was going to make a hughe impact on you team right??.
I think you need to get over it and move on, shit happens and we did it because we feel you can get more for your pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 2:08:41 GMT -5
Cockblock Calgary i aint scared of the Flames. I will see them soon enoough. Show you who's your real DADDY Flame-thrower lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 2:29:31 GMT -5
I love when someone says "get over it", yet proceeds to make comments on the matter. As to imply that if I respond then I'm still "complaining", yet you make retarded comments to respond to Of course he would. How could a player with his ratings not improve my chance of winning? Let me see.....I lose nothing from my roster, add a player with quality ratings, yet somehow that wouldn't improve my chance of winning? Yeah, I see your logic! What's the flip side look like? Keep the pick and it doesn't help me at all this year. Won't help me at all next year since they won't be rated. I have to hope that they play in the NHL right after they are drafted otherwise it's now another year. Then suppose they are like Thornton or E. Staal and take a year or two to really develop, now we're talking like 5 years! So it's a minimum 3 seasons before who I even draft MAYBE ends up on my team, possibly more. Awesome! Nope, never said that. But if it was such an amazing, wonderful, fantastic pick shouldn't I have received all these crazy offers? I mean that's what everyone was trying to say and use as their reasons for killing the deal. So when I put the pick on the block then the PMs should have been just flying in to even have a chance at such a commodity! That was the point, jackass. Like I said, you guys really know your stuff! They basically admitted it. Even as far as Gavin saying how fun it would really be to know who's going to win the next amount of cups blah, blah, blah, and others expressing how they don't want to see a team stacked. So let's see, the two biggest whiners of the deal who stated how much I should get for the pick and tried to rally everyone, then go and make a crappy offer and back off of a player. Take that into account of people admitting they don't want to see Calgary win (even the damn commish, nice!), yeah I'd say it was intentional. But don't worry, Calgary will get the pick and you'll all have another chance to cry about it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 2:31:38 GMT -5
Im gonna just keep this short i agree with Phil "isles" like we did this to help you out. Don't do me any favors guys! You act like this is my first season here! I can run my own damn team. It's funny, all the trades you guys complain about are the same trades where I acquired guys that people ask me to trade, go figure! Clowe, Stamkos, Corey Schneider, Jeremy Williams blah, blah, blah. Yeah I know, I'm such a horrible, clueless GM
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Post by nyrgm on Jan 18, 2009 2:38:03 GMT -5
personally I couldnt give a Sh** what teams are or are not involved in a trade if its a fair trade its a fair trade. The fact of the matter is no matter who offered you Frolov for what is mostlikely a top 5 pick that is no where close to what the deal is worth. What you have to realise is if trades like Frolov for a top 5 pick go through youll end up with more teams like the situation I walked into. whether or not you wanted the pick Detroit is a meaningless trivial fact which really has no bearing on whether the trade should have passed. When are you going to grow up and realise these werent attacks on you but saving your team from a dismantle and firesale that would have eventually resulted in you quitting and the league needing to find someone willing to take on another worthless shit team like I did
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Post by Sharky on Jan 18, 2009 2:58:02 GMT -5
I rejected it because Frolov isn't worth a top 5 pick. Just because I think that doesn't mean I have to go offer a Shea Weber or Corey Perry to make it up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 3:07:23 GMT -5
When are you going to grow up and realise these werent attacks on you but saving your team from a dismantle and firesale that would have eventually resulted in you quitting and the league needing to find someone willing to take on another worthless shit team like I did I know you're new and everything, but I am the one who dismantled my team in the first place! Everyone here knows I'm not quitting. If that was the case I would have easily quit by now. Not to mention that I'm trying to acquire actual players for my team, not just hopes of a prospect. That should give you some indication. I've been here from day one and personally know Jon, so I'm probably the last person you should worry about doing that. Just because I think that doesn't mean I have to go offer a Shea Weber or Corey Perry to make it up to you. Seriously, that is the most moronic analogy in regards to the point I was trying to make, which, you obviously missed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 3:11:10 GMT -5
When are you going to grow up and realise these werent attacks on you Actually, they were. Just like you implying that I might firesale and quit. That is an attack on my character, integrity and morale, regardless if you think so or not.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jan 18, 2009 3:43:27 GMT -5
adam, i think what most gms here are trying to say is..... enough already. its almost as if youre on a witch hunt to prove everyone wrong. kind of childish in my opinion. like most people have said, the trade was rejected because it was bad, and YES because it involved calgary, and guess what, he wasn't on the bad side. you taking all these offers and spitting in everyone's face just to make a point is very immature.
i will publicly state my offer, which was Milan Michalek and Dan Girardi for the pick alone. the same offer of which you speak of as being the "worst out of the bunch". now, who am i to judge, but if you think my offer was the worst out of the bunch, then you sir, are not much of a hockey gm. and i told you in my last PM, and i will tell u again, its called a COUNTER OFFER. something that you clearly have zero knowledge of. if you want to get what you want for something, or if you don't like something in an offer, then speak up and say it. its as if you wanted ppl to throw out offers with no intention to actually work something out, only to prove them wrong. all in all, i think you ended up making yourself look a little foolish. like isles said from the start, and like ill confirm, get over it.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 18, 2009 3:53:50 GMT -5
I think your the one missing the point... Frolov is not worth a top 5 pick! End of story. Thats why it was rejected. He's an inconsistent player on pace for 50 points right now. Not only that, he'll be a UFA by the time the rest of your team is any good. If you want to trade a top 5 pick for that, go right ahead. If you submit it again I'd happily accept it, knowing a potential future rival is taking a big step back.
No one is "cock blocking" Calgary and the fact that you think that could be interpretted as an attack on this leagues "character, integrity and morale, regardless if you think so or not".
Get a freakin' grip man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 4:15:09 GMT -5
No one is "cock blocking" Calgary and the fact that you think that could be interpretted as an attack on this leagues "character, integrity and morale, regardless if you think so or not". Get a freakin' grip man. lol, Toronto just admitted it! .....and YES because it involved calgary. And don't worry, I get it now Eug.....I can get bashed by 5 or 6 of you guys, but dare I respond to defend myself or all the stupid comments, then I'm immature, childish, and complaining. How could I possibly not see that before
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Post by LeafsGM on Jan 18, 2009 4:50:11 GMT -5
No one is "cock blocking" Calgary and the fact that you think that could be interpretted as an attack on this leagues "character, integrity and morale, regardless if you think so or not". Get a freakin' grip man. lol, Toronto just admitted it! .....and YES because it involved calgary. And don't worry, I get it now Eug.....I can get bashed by 5 or 6 of you guys, but dare I respond to defend myself or all the stupid comments, then I'm immature, childish, and complaining. How could I possibly not see that before the only thing i admitted to is getting pissed off at the fact calgary has once again found a lame duck to take a top 5 pick from for practically nothing. i never said that i rejected the trade based on that fact. i rejected the trade based on the fact it wasn't a fair trade. period. done. everything else that followed was as a result of your immaturity. you can defend yourself all you want, but no one ever insulted or attacked you. we simply voiced our displeasure with your trade. that's why the "opinions on trades" thread exists in the first place. you're the one who made an elaborate post to "declare" that you will now be taking offers on the pick, to try and prove to yourself that the frolov offer was the best you got. which is just plain silly on its own, but i, and everyone here knows that its not the best offer you got, and that every gm's offer that followed was probably better. but you're too proud to admit that, and that's too bad, cause at the end of the day, it's in our interest to see your team improve, not keep tanking.
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