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Aug 12, 2007 10:26:53 GMT -5
Post by Philly on Aug 12, 2007 10:26:53 GMT -5
If your paying a player with 50ov's 500,000$ and he is on your roster, you clearly have more issues then the salary itself. The player should be making 10% of his salary or 50K in the minors for the entire season. No shit SHERLOCK. That's makes those players just a name on the unassigned list that have no use whatsoever.
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Aug 12, 2007 10:31:15 GMT -5
Post by wildgm on Aug 12, 2007 10:31:15 GMT -5
If your paying a player with 50ov's 500,000$ and he is on your roster, you clearly have more issues then the salary itself. The player should be making 10% of his salary or 50K in the minors for the entire season. No shit SHERLOCK. That's makes those players just a name on the unassigned list that have no use whatsoever. just about all the players are garbage anyways. Most players make at least 50K playing in the AHL. What is the difference here? They are just farm players
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Aug 12, 2007 11:01:00 GMT -5
Post by wildgm on Aug 12, 2007 11:01:00 GMT -5
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Aug 12, 2007 11:29:32 GMT -5
Post by Philly on Aug 12, 2007 11:29:32 GMT -5
Well when you have a few high priced Veterans on your team and your 400,000 under the cap and you get an injury your fucked. Why should our lower skilled players be paid higher then the nhl. Here are some salaries that where changed overnight. Brandon Smith 75.000 Brian Eklund 121,500 Greg Leeb 127,500 Jason Beckett 106,200 Jim Montomery 112,500 Kent McDonell 101,250 Pat Kavanagh 87,750 Ryan Barnes 108,000 Ty Jones 88,400 That's just a few they come in real handy to play on your bench when you need to be under the salary cap due to injury etc. I still have about 10 of those types on my team and some have 3 yr contracts. I will use them to my advantage, and keep them shuffled up and down on my bench so as to keep them under 20 games and me under the cap .
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Aug 12, 2007 11:56:03 GMT -5
Post by wildgm on Aug 12, 2007 11:56:03 GMT -5
Well when you have a few high priced Veterans on your team and your 400,000 under the cap and you get an injury your fucked. Why should our lower skilled players be paid higher then the nhl. Well I think every player in the league should make at least 500K. I feel like a thief paying the following players such cheap deals. Tomas Plekanec 489,000(4) Chris Backman 311,000(3) Trent Hunter 238,000(2) Matthew Lombardi 105,000(2) But that's beside the point. How can anyone be complaining about not having any cap space? The cap is 57 million dollars last I checked. How does one not have enough money to ice a good team and have a bunch of coin left over for injury replacements? I know I am sitting at 38 million dollars (33 million after I send my farm players down) with Biron and White to re-sign going into UFA. And that's with Kolzig eating six million dollars this season. I need another defenseman and that's it, I could conceivably ice a solid team at around 42-44 million and that's with a few over priced guys. Just have to show some restraint when signing high priced vets and not get tied into multi year deals. With the cap at 57 million, there should be more then enough money to go around.
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Aug 12, 2007 12:07:56 GMT -5
Post by Philly on Aug 12, 2007 12:07:56 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with anything designed to hold down FA bidding. You have a cheap team but most the league does not. The roster limit should be lowered if they are going to raise farm prices it's just my opinion. I'm not going to argue this with you. I would however like to hear others opinions.
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Aug 12, 2007 12:16:36 GMT -5
Post by wildgm on Aug 12, 2007 12:16:36 GMT -5
Fair enough, anything designed to make teams think before spending crazy amounts of cash I am a fan of.
If a 15 man farm team and a 500K minimum salary for farm players when they are called up make teams think twice about there cap space and handing out ridiculous contracts.
No complaints from me.
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Aug 12, 2007 13:09:25 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on Aug 12, 2007 13:09:25 GMT -5
personally i dont love it, but because it affects everyone equally i dont really care... the 500 k salary shouldnt really matter, cause any guy on your farm team you dont need (aka he is rated low and has no long term potential) doesnt need to be carried into FA... drop them now if they suck and pick up more crap bags later...
wouldnt that just make everyone happy?
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Aug 12, 2007 13:25:28 GMT -5
Post by Philly on Aug 12, 2007 13:25:28 GMT -5
personally i dont love it, but because it affects everyone equally i dont really care... the 500 k salary shouldnt really matter, cause any guy on your farm team you dont need (aka he is rated low and has no long term potential) doesnt need to be carried into FA... drop them now if they suck and pick up more crap bags later... wouldnt that just make everyone happy? LOL anyone dropping crap now would be foolish to do so if they make under 500,000. If I myself had it to do over, There's a few I wouldn't have dropped [since my roster is down to 22 players], that were around 250,000 figuring I could get cheaper later if need be, would have been nice to see the new salaries before player drops started.
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Aug 12, 2007 13:29:32 GMT -5
Post by RangersRon on Aug 12, 2007 13:29:32 GMT -5
Well when you have a few high priced Veterans on your team and your 400,000 under the cap and you get an injury your fucked. Why should our lower skilled players be paid higher then the nhl. Well I think every player in the league should make at least 500K. I feel like a thief paying the following players such cheap deals. Tomas Plekanec 489,000(4) Chris Backman 311,000(3) Trent Hunter 238,000(2) Matthew Lombardi 105,000(2) But that's beside the point. How can anyone be complaining about not having any cap space? The cap is 57 million dollars last I checked. How does one not have enough money to ice a good team and have a bunch of coin left over for injury replacements? I know I am sitting at 38 million dollars (33 million after I send my farm players down) with Biron and White to re-sign going into UFA. And that's with Kolzig eating six million dollars this season. I need another defenseman and that's it, I could conceivably ice a solid team at around 42-44 million and that's with a few over priced guys. Just have to show some restraint when signing high priced vets and not get tied into multi year deals. With the cap at 57 million, there should be more then enough money to go around. It is easy for you to say because you picked up a team that the last GM did absolutely nothing to improve and it showed when it came time to win. You MAY have a team that will compete, win at the top, not sure you may have to invest in high dollar FA like others have to keep team competative.. But lets seee how things go after you been here and your RFAs are blow up and you have accept the RFA blown out salary.....Not to mention that alot of guys have alot of needs and watch the money flow, it will happen like it has in last few season which each season salaries escalating more. Like I said easy from where your sitting but lets see after a season or two...... Me I am keeping my few 100 thousand guys, just to give me a few 100 thou to play with in the big leagues, they will never be counted on but they will fill out a farm roster, I would have kept a few of monty's guys for 100....Those salaries cannot be blown up until returned to unassigned or all those guys under 500 would have to bump on Minny. If I can have 5 to 8 guys with 100 K each I would be happy that would give me 200 to 320 in money that can be used with the big boys...... I don't remember seeing that the salaries were going to be moved to min 500k in unassigned but that does not mean it was not posted.....
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Aug 12, 2007 13:32:24 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on Aug 12, 2007 13:32:24 GMT -5
but what im saying is that if you dont have them during FA, it doesnt matter, once FA is over and you can farm... though it sucks think about it... if you had 10 playersmaking 100000 before, and now they are making 500000 your literally taking a 400000 total cap hit (aka not even close to making a big difference long term)
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Aug 12, 2007 13:36:56 GMT -5
Post by RangersRon on Aug 12, 2007 13:36:56 GMT -5
but what im saying is that if you dont have them during FA, it doesnt matter, once FA is over and you can farm... though it sucks think about it... if you had 10 playersmaking 100000 before, and now they are making 500000 your literally taking a 400000 total cap hit (aka not even close to making a big difference long term) It made a difference at times for me late in season with injuries, and needing to brings guys up, so have a few hundred thousand to play with can be really helpful at times during season. i would love to go in with salary cap at 50 to 52 million but being realistic, that would be tough if I want to compete, which I do each season....
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Aug 12, 2007 13:40:46 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on Aug 12, 2007 13:40:46 GMT -5
hey man, we really COULD leave that cap as static, infact, i would be the first to vote for that... its just a fact that with the cap you cant pay 1st line money to 3rd line guys... consistently anyway... im all for cap managemnt to play a bigger part
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Aug 12, 2007 13:43:22 GMT -5
Post by wildgm on Aug 12, 2007 13:43:22 GMT -5
It is easy for you to say because you picked up a team that the last GM did absolutely nothing to improve and it showed when it came time to win. Well my first two moves were dealing Naslund and Luongo which cleared 17.6 million dollars of cap from my roster. Thats like half my salary right now. So yes I have done a good job at clearing coin. You MAY have a team that will compete, win at the top, not sure you may have to invest in high dollar FA like others have to keep team competative.. But lets seee how things go after you been here and your RFAs are blow up and you have accept the RFA blown out salary.....Not to mention that alot of guys have alot of needs and watch the money flow, it will happen like it has in last few season which each season salaries escalating more. A player gets too expensive I have no problem letting them walk for nothing or trading them for a cheaper player. RFAs J-S Aubin, Vasicek, and Rasmusson I will not even be giving a QO too and am going to let them become UFA. And if a RFA gets an offer sheets that I deem to expensive I will just let him walk. It's a nice system that is in place here. And if UFAs get to expensive year after year eventually teams will be stuck with these multi year deals on free agents, can't drop them cause of the 75 overall rule and the teams that saved there cap space will sign players cheaper. I don't remember seeing that the salaries were going to be moved to min 500k in unassigned but that does not mean it was not posted..... It was in the rulebook, when that got updated.
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Aug 12, 2007 13:48:05 GMT -5
Post by Philly on Aug 12, 2007 13:48:05 GMT -5
I don't remember seeing that the salaries were going to be moved to min 500k in unassigned but that does not mean it was not posted..... It's in the rules, and I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SALARY for players listed with none, but to change existing salaries sucks. some of the players I dropped now cost more, and according to the rules should be less.
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