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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 7, 2011 18:20:42 GMT -5
Still not sure who to take with the 3rd overall pick, which was the deal breaker for me. Can't go wrong with either of Landeskog or Huberdeau, whichever one drops to you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 21:38:30 GMT -5
Can't go wrong with either of Landeskog or Huberdeau, whichever one drops to you. No, no, no. Skip them and go for Baertschi or Macneil or someone else drafted in the teens. That is where the real value of this draft is. Leave the Huberdeau's and Landeskog's with the chump who picks 5th.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 7, 2011 21:49:30 GMT -5
If this was the NHL I'd pick Larsson... but it's fantasy hockey so it's gotta be a forward
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Post by Sharky on Sept 8, 2011 21:25:36 GMT -5
Kind of surprised at the 2 reject votes on the Brodeur deal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 22:49:05 GMT -5
Kind of surprised at the 2 reject votes on the Brodeur deal. I guess forcing people to justify their no vote may just mean that less people will vote no because of fear of being targeted unfairly by traders, but it sure would be nice if people that voted no voluntarily voiced their reasons for voting the way they did.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 11, 2011 20:28:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can vote to pass either of the deals up right now yikes
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Post by Sharky on Sept 11, 2011 20:50:24 GMT -5
Alright I actually think the Nashville trade is fair. Forgot Bozak made so much, so it works or both teams.
But gotta reject the Keith trade, even after thinking about it again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 21:56:54 GMT -5
Alright I actually think the Nashville trade is fair. Forgot Bozak made so much, so it works or both teams. But gotta reject the Keith trade, even after thinking about it again. Yeah, this trade was more to move Bozak's contract for next year. Gotta agree with you on the Keith trade though, there's nothing quite big enough coming back Vancouver's way, at least that 1st should be in the top 5 or similar value.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 22:03:09 GMT -5
Gotta agree with you on the Keith trade though, there's nothing quite big enough coming back Vancouver's way, at least that 1st should be in the top 5 or similar value. Agreed
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 11, 2011 22:57:54 GMT -5
The nash/carolina trade is harder for me to pass. Sure Bozak makes a crazy amount, but both Connauton and Butler are legit talent that should get a 1st by themselves. Bozak ain't that bad of a scrub either. That's grand theft for just one 2nd.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 11, 2011 23:43:31 GMT -5
I disagree that Conneauton and Butler are worth a 1st... probably more 2nd round pick type players.
I think Bozak has negative value.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 12, 2011 13:43:15 GMT -5
I disagree that Conneauton and Butler are worth a 1st... probably more 2nd round pick type players. I think Bozak has negative value. I agree whole-heartedly with Jake on this one. Salary & contracts are big deals especially now in trades. Look what Marty Brodeur went for, for God's sake! I passed the aforementioned trade, but admittedly had to reject the Duncan Keith deal - I think that one just needs to be re-worked a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 14:27:57 GMT -5
Now hold on.... hold on, i rejected this trade as well because yes i know its a salary dump... but its not that much to dump for a guy that is still young and was the leafs #1 centre last year. I mean, he still have tremendous value and i just thought that with his potential and the fact that he is still a very big key to the leafs team... this was a lobsided deal in my eyes.
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Post by gmcanucks on Sept 12, 2011 15:54:29 GMT -5
No hard feelings, but I fail to see how the deal between my Canucks and the Capitals should have been rejected. Here's the facts as I see them. No question Keith is the best player in the deal. Unfortunately for me, I already have Weber and both are restricted free agents next year. I came to the decision that I could not afford two $ 6 million dollar defenseman long term so I would trade one. Malone is a good piece, but at 31 and making $ 3 million a year for the next three years, he didn't fit into my long term plans. Frazee is an NHL back-up at best and was a throw-in so the Caps would be at the 35-player minimum. In return I got Hanzal, a good young player I feel has a chance to develop into a solid #2 center in this league. I would have easily traded Malone straight up for him. That means for Keith I got Tom Gilbert, a very solid 28-year old defenseman who, except for the PA rating, has almost identical ratings to Keith. Don't believe me, check it out. Plus he makes $ 3,000,000 less a year and isn't unrestricted next year, when I have to sign Weber as well. I also got a great, young, high ceiling goalie in Matt Hackett, a good prospect in Jerry D'amigo who has Top six forward potential and a first round pick in next year's draft. To me that's a solid return. But even if you don't think that's a good return, the frustrating thing from my point of view is that, although I've had Keith on the block for over a month, and those rejectiing the deal say he's worth more than what I received, I haven't received one other substantial offer for him. So how can you say he's worth more if no one is willing to give you more. As I said, no hard feelings and I respect the opinion of those who rejected the deal. That's the purpose of the trade vote. I just feel many made the wrong call and wanted to share my point of view. And by the way, no way this deal is worse than Martin Brodeur for the immortal Phillip Larsen
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 12, 2011 16:27:32 GMT -5
And by the way, no way this deal is worse than Martin Brodeur for the immortal Phillip Larsen I really think there is a big difference between the two trades.....Firstly Brodeur makes 10mil, Keith makes 6mil. I really think Brodeur will retire after this season, if not next while Keith will be around for at least another 8 years, at least. I had Marty on the block since last season and if I remember correctly I recieved two actual offers which pretty much were 4th and 5th round picks. I have zero use for him on my team and if Carolina can't move Luongo I really didn't see myself moving Brodeur at all this season. I got to move his contract, move up 26 spots in the draft and grab a defenseman that I feel has a real good chance of being a contributing player in the next few years. Detroit needed a starting goalie (more than any oter team in the league) and I wasn't about to try and drag them over the coals and blow a deal, as I knew I probably couldn't get another one elsewhere. I know you wanted to move Keith, but if you didn't take Washington's deal I can't imagine another one wouldn't have come along. I don't think it was a horrible deal, but Keith is one of the top 5-7 Ds in the league and I didn't see anything coming back that makes up for his value now or seasons ahead. Washington's 1st this year is 18 and I think he has a better team than last year so the pick will probably be 20 or later. The other guys you were getting back are "ok" but nothing that screams "star player". Sorry, I got a little off track as my post was meant to be a comparison of the Brodeur deal, not an analasis of your deal.
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