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Post by Philly on Aug 22, 2013 9:48:20 GMT -5
Last season we agreed that GM's were not goin to sway votes by expressing opinions on how we should all vote, so that one can make up their mind, on their own, without back and forth arguments. Once a trade is approved or rejected then all comments are welcome, if diplomacy is exercised. I'm sorry, i know that the thought of not expressing opinions on votes was discussed but i dont recall the league agreeing to a protocol. What's the point in expressing your opinion about a trade then? People should have the most information available to them in order to make a decision. Quite frankly i was happy to know that Detroit and SJ felt the same way about the deal that i did. And i apologize if you or Mike finds my comment on "this trade hurting the league" insulting, but with all due respect, I believe it does. Trading two third rounders for a first rounder doesnt make sense. When i vote for a deal, i pass about 98% of the trades i see... regardless of how they look or seem, i grade a deal based on whether or not it's good for the league, not for the team. Teams will win or lose deals and that should happen (if deals that were blatantly 50/50 were the only deals passed, that wouldn't be a good thing either) but i feel that this deal hurts the league. I won't comment any further since some feel that opinions shoulndt be expressed. No one is saying you can't comment if you like or don't like a trade, just don't get carried away to the point, that one is forced to defend themselves. When you get carried away it can hurt feelings at times, Jake and Adam said their piece and that was it, but you added more after you already spoke last night. There is alot of talent in this draft, who the fuck knows what my 1st 3 drafts from now will be like. I never miss the playoffs LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:52:13 GMT -5
LOL...... i simply replied to you after you decided to comment on their comments. I'm not here to hurt feelings loll...... but I'm nto going to sugar coat anything either. Anyways... let the votes speak for themselves.
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Post by Philly on Aug 22, 2013 10:03:22 GMT -5
LOL...... i simply replied to you after you decided to comment on their comments. I'm not here to hurt feelings loll...... but I'm nto going to sugar coat anything either. Anyways... let the votes speak for themselves. I was just fillin everyone in on how things went down, I thought it deserved an explanation after you - Jake - and Adam commented WTF, that's the least I could do. Who wants to give me a 2nd for that 1st, I still need one in 013 0r 014
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Post by LeafsGM on Aug 22, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -5
who the fuck knows what my 1st 3 drafts from now will be like. I never miss the playoffs LOL We gotta be careful with this type of thinking. Like you said, a 1st can always be used for an RFA offer sheet, so it really makes no difference if that 1st ends up being a top 5 pick or a 26th overall. For the record, I passed the deal. If someone wants to add 2 picks in this draft that badly (70 & 74 is still early 3rd in NHL draft) and are willing to part with a far away 1st it's not the end of the world. Not something I would do, but to each his own. End of the day LA could end up grabbing 2 steals with those picks and the 1st could end up being a Justin Mapletoft.
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Post by Philly on Aug 22, 2013 10:42:53 GMT -5
who the fuck knows what my 1st 3 drafts from now will be like. I never miss the playoffs LOL We gotta be careful with this type of thinking. Like you said, a 1st can always be used for an RFA offer sheet, so it really makes no difference if that 1st ends up being a top 5 pick or a 26th overall. For the record, I passed the deal. If someone wants to add 2 picks in this draft that badly (70 & 74 is still early 3rd in NHL draft) and are willing to part with a far away 1st it's not the end of the world. Not something I would do, but to each his own. End of the day LA could end up grabbing 2 steals with those picks and the 1st could end up being a Justin Mapletoft. I was scouting the 3rd and 4th rds a few weeks back and was amazed at the talent that late in the draft, but I have my eye on bigger game in FA, some of you guys with big payrolls and short wallets with lot's of RFa's could feel a bite this FA. I think Jon was warning a few of you to start dumpin over-head. lol
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Post by RangersRon on Aug 22, 2013 10:44:13 GMT -5
If two experience GMs want to make a deal for picks, it is their choice, no matter what anyone of us feel if it is a really bad deal or not. LA could have a great year next year and that #1 may turn into bum! There are plenty of #1s that are bums while there are many 3rds who succeed quite well!
These guys made trade, good or bad for either one, no one knows, there are plenty of shitting trades in NHL that none of us would do but they get done!
I wanted to add my two cents because I have not really posted much in last year so here I am! LOL
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Post by Hawks on Aug 22, 2013 10:47:50 GMT -5
If two experience GMs want to make a deal for picks, it is their choice, no matter what anyone of us feel if it is a really bad deal or not. LA could have a great year next year and that #1 may turn into bum! There are plenty of #1s that are bums while there are many 3rds who succeed quite well! These guys made trade, good or bad for either one, no one knows, there are plenty of shitting trades in NHL that none of us would do but they get done! I wanted to add my two cents because I have not really posted much in last year so here I am! LOL Actually no, the 1st isn't LA's its Philly's own pick.
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Post by RangersRon on Aug 22, 2013 10:58:48 GMT -5
If two experience GMs want to make a deal for picks, it is their choice, no matter what anyone of us feel if it is a really bad deal or not. LA could have a great year next year and that #1 may turn into bum! There are plenty of #1s that are bums while there are many 3rds who succeed quite well! These guys made trade, good or bad for either one, no one knows, there are plenty of shitting trades in NHL that none of us would do but they get done! I wanted to add my two cents because I have not really posted much in last year so here I am! LOL Actually no, the 1st isn't LA's its Philly's own pick. MY bad, then Philly can dump everyone and not make playoffs next year and get a top player........nevermind!
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Post by Philly on Aug 22, 2013 11:41:03 GMT -5
Actually no, the 1st isn't LA's its Philly's own pick. MY bad, then Philly can dump everyone and not make playoffs next year and get a top player........nevermind! LOL Now there's an idea I never thought of. ;D
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Post by Sharky on Aug 22, 2013 12:03:27 GMT -5
who the fuck knows what my 1st 3 drafts from now will be like. I never miss the playoffs LOL For the record, I passed the deal. If someone wants to add 2 picks in this draft that badly (70 & 74 is still early 3rd in NHL draft) and are willing to part with a far away 1st it's not the end of the world. Not something I would do, but to each his own. End of the day LA could end up grabbing 2 steals with those picks and the 1st could end up being a Justin Mapletoft. You could make that argument about any pick, 4th round, 5th, so it doesn't really make sense. The trade voting is here to pass trades that are extremely lop sided, which this one is. If we start moving into the "well two experienced GMs can do what they want", there isn't much point to even voting on trades. To me if the trade is extremely lopsided (and I would put this one at "80-20"), then it should be rejected regardless who is involved.
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Post by Philly on Aug 22, 2013 12:20:04 GMT -5
For the record, I passed the deal. If someone wants to add 2 picks in this draft that badly (70 & 74 is still early 3rd in NHL draft) and are willing to part with a far away 1st it's not the end of the world. Not something I would do, but to each his own. End of the day LA could end up grabbing 2 steals with those picks and the 1st could end up being a Justin Mapletoft. You could make that argument about any pick, 4th round, 5th, so it doesn't really make sense. The trade voting is here to pass trades that are extremely lop sided, which this one is. If we start moving into the "well two experienced GMs can do what they want", there isn't much point to even voting on trades. To me if the trade is extremely lopsided (and I would put this one at "80-20"), then it should be rejected regardless who is involved. As was brought up today, already, and last season, once you make your comment we move on til trade is rejected or approved - that is enough imo so as to avoid trouble, we don't go back and see it's being approved or disapproved and suggust to GM's how they should vote, opinions are like assholes we all got ONE so what is the reason you are still at it You already made your point once.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:28:26 GMT -5
I always vote yes even though I never vote. I can't do it on the app and never go on the board any other way. I trust everyone in the league. Everyone has reasons for their deal. I traded Yasiel Puig for Patrick Corbin and Jason Kipnis. I hate the Doyers(because of Gary) and love Kipnis and Corbin. Some people might think it's dumb to trade away Puig, but he could be Jeff Francoeur. Same start to their career. Same buzz. Both are Cuban. My team. I'm not hurting the league except when Puig turns to shit next year and Corbin wins the Cy Young and Kipnis hits .280 with 30 bombs and 100 RBI with 30 steals and 100 runs. It's happening Tater!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by gmcanucks on Aug 22, 2013 12:33:10 GMT -5
Does anybody else look forward to Darren's comments as much as I do?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:36:04 GMT -5
You could make that argument about any pick, 4th round, 5th, so it doesn't really make sense. The trade voting is here to pass trades that are extremely lop sided, which this one is. If we start moving into the "well two experienced GMs can do what they want", there isn't much point to even voting on trades. To me if the trade is extremely lopsided (and I would put this one at "80-20"), then it should be rejected regardless who is involved. As was brought up today, already, and last season, once you make your comment we move on til trade is rejected or approved - that is enough imo so as to avoid trouble, we don't go back and see it's being approved or disapproved and suggust to GM's how they should vote, opinions are like assholes we all got ONE so what is the reason you are still at it You already made your point once. And again, i reiterate.... where is it in the rules that we have to shut up while a trade is being voted on? People keep commenting ont he deal becuase you keep responding. Stop responding and people will stop commenting. And that's the thing.. your point of "i always make the playoffs" is irrelevant. What if you decide ina year's time that you want to rebuild and you fully control the ability for that pick to be a top 5 pick. Hence further, why this deal should be looked at as lop-sided.
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Post by Hawks on Aug 22, 2013 12:46:39 GMT -5
I always vote yes even though I never vote. I can't do it on the app and never go on the board any other way. I trust everyone in the league. Everyone has reasons for their deal. I traded Yasiel Puig for Patrick Corbin and Jason Kipnis. I hate the Doyers(because of Gary) and love Kipnis and Corbin. Some people might think it's dumb to trade away Puig, but he could be Jeff Francoeur. Same start to their career. Same buzz. Both are Cuban. My team. I'm not hurting the league except when Puig turns to shit next year and Corbin wins the Cy Young and Kipnis hits .280 with 30 bombs and 100 RBI with 30 steals and 100 runs. It's happening Tater!!!!!!!!!! Log in when you get home and vote or your vote will not be counted. This is a trade that I'm going to hold to strict standards.
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