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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 14:46:57 GMT -5
My suggestion of changing RFA compensation based on the salary bid was not to make it "harder" to go after RFAs but to match the "value" or "projected value" of the player being bid on. Last years Spezza ordeal opened my eyes to this. Just because a star player has an injury the previous year shouldn't devalue his worth. If Crosby didn't play at all last season because of an injury and going in to RFA status was rated a 60OV, you really think the compensation for him should only be a 3rd round pick? That's absolutely ridiculous. By basing RFA compensation on the salary bid you are putting the value of the player on the bidding team, regardless of ratings. So I'm not really saying to tweak to compensation scale, but make the value of compensation based on the value of the bid, which is the value the bidding GM places on the player he's trying to sign. Regardless it will be making them harder to get, 4 1st rd picks as comp, for a 7,500,000 offer sheet is outrageous. Seems we always want to award bad Gm'ing (salary probs). No one went after Spezza last season though they could have, no one is lookin for a hand out, just would like to see more thinking applied.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 7, 2014 14:57:24 GMT -5
Regardless it will be making them harder to get, 4 1st rd picks as comp, for a 7,500,000 offer sheet is outrageous. Seems we always want to award bad Gm'ing (salary probs). No one went after Spezza last season though they could have, no one is lookin for a hand out, just would like to see more thinking applied. Where are you getting 4 1st round picks from? Right now the highest bracket is two 1sts and a 2nd and I'm not suggesting changing that. And Boston went after Spezza last season.
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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 15:06:01 GMT -5
Regardless it will be making them harder to get, 4 1st rd picks as comp, for a 7,500,000 offer sheet is outrageous. Seems we always want to award bad Gm'ing (salary probs). No one went after Spezza last season though they could have, no one is lookin for a hand out, just would like to see more thinking applied. Where are you getting 4 1st round picks from? Right now the highest bracket is two 1sts and a 2nd and I'm not suggesting changing that. And Boston went after Spezza last season. Detroit still has him. I was lookin at joe's table? Can we see some samples.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 15:07:24 GMT -5
[/quote]This X 1000. All of it. [/quote] This times 10,000. Beat 10,000 times.
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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 15:17:53 GMT -5
If I got Crosby and his OV goes to 60 and you can get him for a 3rd, I'm using my re-sign.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 7, 2014 15:23:18 GMT -5
Detroit still has him. I was lookin at joe's table? Can we see some samples. Detroit still has him because I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to let him go for only a 3rd rounder. This is just off the top of my head without much thought, just an example... $500k - $1,499,999 = 3rd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) $1,500,000 - $2,999,999 = 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) $3,000,000 - $5,000,000 = 1st AND 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft $5,000,0001+ = Two 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft Again, the purpose of this is for the bidding GM to decide the worth of the player, not have some anomaly completely devalue a superstar.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 7, 2014 15:23:23 GMT -5
People forget it seems that we have an automatic re-sign, one that Detroit could have used on Spezza last year but chose not to do so.
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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 15:30:54 GMT -5
Detroit still has him. I was lookin at joe's table? Can we see some samples. Detroit still has him because I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to let him go for only a 3rd rounder. This is just off the top of my head without much thought, just an example... $500k - $1,499,999 = 3rd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) $1,500,000 - $2,999,999 = 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) $3,000,000 - $5,000,000 = 1st AND 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft $5,000,0001+ = Two 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft Again, the purpose of this is for the bidding GM to decide the worth of the player, not have some anomaly completely devalue a superstar. That's not too bad, based on that though anisimov (68OV) would have cost me another 1st, since I bid 5.5 on him. Got him cheaper cause i allowed kevin to sign him at 4.5 which cost me dillon.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 7, 2014 15:35:57 GMT -5
Jon, I like your chart only I would add another level past 5 mil:
$5,000,001-$7,500,000 = Two 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft $7,500,001-$10,000,000 = Three 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft
This way it would make it worthwhile to accept comp on a high end player, also maintaining some degree of control/sanity over salaries. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 7, 2014 15:37:57 GMT -5
Jon, I like your chart only I would add another level past 5 mil: $5,000,001-$7,500,000 = Two 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft $7,500,001-$10,000,000 = Three 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft This way it would make it worthwhile to accept comp on a high end player, also maintaining some degree of control/sanity over salaries. Just my 2 cents. I agree with Eug. But I think the 1st round picks could be spread over three years.
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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 15:44:12 GMT -5
Jon, I like your chart only I would add another level past 5 mil: $5,000,001-$7,500,000 = Two 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft $7,500,001-$10,000,000 = Three 1st round picks AND one 2nd Round Pick within the next 2 years (current entry draft or '14) - ONE 1st round pick MUST be in the upcoming entry draft This way it would make it worthwhile to accept comp on a high end player, also maintaining some degree of control/sanity over salaries. Just my 2 cents. I agree with Eug. But I think the 1st round picks could be spread over three years. Not crazy about this at all. Jon's is better and high enough imo.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 7, 2014 15:48:26 GMT -5
Like I said, my chart was just an example. If the majority of the league agrees on compensation based on salary bid then we can work on a chart that everyone feels is fair.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 7, 2014 15:53:05 GMT -5
Looks like if I'm going to bid on an RFA I'll bid 2,999,999 and never a penny more. Oh you have a player below 3m? He's now 3m.
I'd like to strike out the 10% match rule if we move to salary comp chart btw, it conflicts as that 10% reduction may put them back into a lower bracket.
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Post by Philly on Jul 7, 2014 15:55:31 GMT -5
No problem here so far, unless the max comp gets raised to more then it was before I made those trades.
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Post by MontyBurns on Jul 7, 2014 15:59:55 GMT -5
Id like to address something here.
Ray, you say that youre not in favour of changing the system to provide more comp for top RFAs (or RFAs at all. You say this because in the 10 year history of our league, like 3 RFAs have switched teams.
The reason why RFAs never move between teams is because a team would have to be an idiot not to match. Even if only for the purposes of trading him as soon as he is signed to another team. You have 2 1sts and a 2nd now. Three picks that will be outside the top 20. If you bid 10 mil on Getzlaf, do you think there is even a CHANCE that I wouldnt match it? There is literally a 0% chance. Thats because your comp sucks in comparison to the player you are bidding on.
SO BASICALLY what you are doing when bidding on major RFAs under the current system is saying "I know I cant actually sign this player because the comp is so low you cant even consider taking it, but im going to bid anyway, just to raise your cap numbers".
I have been arguing for salary based comp for literally 9 years. Its about time we did this. ANd yes, the players at the top (7.5 plus) need to have at least 3 1sts as comp, but thats only to create a chance that the team will accept it. In the new rules, youre still not going to pick up a superstar with three shit 1st round picks.
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