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Post by Hawks on Sept 1, 2016 21:45:37 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here. The one and only thing I dislike about this great league is the trade voting system. It's totally unnecessary and just causes harsh words, bad feelings and resentment. But maybe some guys like that, I don't know. Doesn't do anything for me. Personally, I don't want any one making decisions for my team and I certainly don't want to be involved in any decisions any of you make. I don't want anyone protecting me from getting "fleeced". If I get fleeced at this point, it's on me. Any experienced GM who gets taken or makes a bad deal only has themselves to blame, in my opinion. That's why we all spend so much time doing research on players and prospects. I think a probationary period for new GM's is a good idea, though. I also don't think we should be making rules for everyone because of a fear that someone might trade all of their players and quit. I suppose that could happen. But a GM could still do that under the current system. I'm not sure how the trade voting system prevents that anyway. If we do have a trade that's obviously not in the best interest of the league, I think Jon and Gavin as Commissioners have the right, power and the responsibility to step in and discuss the deal with the teams involved. That's all the protection I need. As I say, I understand some guys look at this differently, but I honestly think that getting rid of the trade voting system would make this an even better league. Honestly we sorta depend on the league to be the gauge on these things, I don't have to time to analyze every trade personally and decide if warrants discussing, nor do I think Jon would like that added responsibility. So we depend on the eyes of the league as a whole to do that, kinda like reddit, the more eyes you have on something the more likely you are to catch a problem. I know you don't want protection from being "fleeced", but the league is bigger than you, its all of us, and all teams deserve protection under the rules. Not that the trade that brought up the discussion is a fleece, its just more or less worthless return on a player that will have major impact on a roster, a forward with 80+ DF is worth a lot more than some career KHLers. I am pleased the general vibe wants to keep it, feels like we have a strong community.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 1, 2016 23:42:27 GMT -5
Wow, it passed? Last I saw it was 9-8 reject.
Shit. I officially offer every 4th and 5th I got until the league shuts down for a All Star 1st liner. Apparently 4ths and 5ths are gold, strike while the iron is hot. I will literally trade you every 4th and 5th I got now, and then trade you every upcoming one some how.
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Post by gmcanucks on Sept 2, 2016 7:19:22 GMT -5
Wow, it passed? Last I saw it was 9-8 reject. Shit. I officially offer every 4th and 5th I got until the league shuts down for a All Star 1st liner. Apparently 4ths and 5ths are gold, strike while the iron is hot. I will literally trade you every 4th and 5th I got now, and then trade you every upcoming one some how. Not 100% sure what this comment has to do with the Glendenning trade? Unless you think Glendening is a All-Star 1st liner. Your valuation of 4th and 5th round picks is obviously different than mine. I did a little research, and between 2006 and 2012, here is just a sampling of guys picked in the 4th and 5th rounds of the JGHL draft. Anything after 2010 is a little sketchy at this point as many guys are still in the development pipe. 2006 Brad Marchand Matt Beleskey Mathieu Perreault James Reimer 2007 Alec Martinez Dwight King Carl Hagelin 2008 Braden Holtby T.J. Brodie Gustav Nyquist Michael Hutchinson Jori Lehtera Adam Henrique Matt Calvert Dale Weise 2009 Marcus Kruger Sami Vatanen David Savard Linden Vey Mattias Ekholm Reilly Smith Eric Haula Casey Cizikas Craig Smith Marcus Foligno 2010 Bryan Rust Johan Gustafsson Brendan Gallagher Petr Mrazek 2011 Adam Lowry Johnny Gaudreau Jean-Gabriel Pageau Mike Reilly Nikita Nesterov 2012 Jimmy Vesey Colton Parayko Frederik Andersen Matt Murray That doesn't even include a bunch of guys who were selected even later in the NHL draft and were never picked in the JGHL draft including Jamie Benn, Jake Muzzin, Nick Bonino, Carl Gunnarsson, Jared Spurgeon, Cam Atkinson, Mike Hoffman, Anders Lee, Erik Haula, John Klingberg, Mark Stone, Andrew Shaw and Ondrej Palat to name just a few. So yes, I'm quite satisfied that a package of 4th and 5th round picks is fair compensation for a career 4th liner.
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Post by Philly on Sept 2, 2016 7:28:46 GMT -5
That's a good point Joe, seems like the smaller you are the later you get drafted. I think Gallager was a 5th.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 2, 2016 9:16:19 GMT -5
None of that promises that any of those guys will make it. I've had second rounders go to the KHL and never return, anything can happen, and statistically speaking, the chances of landing some diamond in the 5th round is pretty damn unlikely.
Also, since all those amazing players are available to be had, Im still waiting for the offers to POUR in for my 4ths and 5ths from now until the end of time, I expect everyone who voted yes on the last deal to be hitting me up eager to get those picks, so send those PMs!
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Post by Philly on Sept 10, 2016 7:26:32 GMT -5
Gonna be hard to move big salaries til the season starts, most of us have salary issues, just check the cap chart. JMO
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Post by MontyBurns on Sept 19, 2016 10:38:55 GMT -5
WOW what a blockbuster for Pens/Sharks.
Its not too often you see stars moved straight up for eachother.
I dont like or dislike the deal from either side because it seems like a wash (and not in a bad way), but its a win as both GMs ended up with players they liked better (I assume and hope lol)
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Post by Sharky on Sept 19, 2016 10:51:32 GMT -5
Tavares is my favorite player in the deal, but my teams window may be closing within the next few years as I am struggling to keep this team under the cap, and I figured I had a better chance to win with Bergeron as my #1 center than Tavares (At least this season). I do really like getting another young stud defenseman though... Josi and Hedman can at least rival the other elite D pairings in the league, and I always have Giroux, Stamkos and Stepan to fill in at center when Bergeron's contract is up.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 19, 2016 12:16:12 GMT -5
Fairly even but I like this deal more for the Sharks. Assuming Hedman and JT are a wash, I'd rather have Bergeron and Chiasson than Suter (with 2 years left compared to 3 for Bergeron) and a 5th. Personally I'd take it even further and say Hedman>JT but that's subjective.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 19, 2016 12:40:00 GMT -5
I think most GMs would take a #1 C over a #1 D, all else being equal... but I could be completely wrong.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 19, 2016 12:44:44 GMT -5
I might have given up more than needed in regards to getting Tavares, but I finally have a player scorer to build a team around. I felt like the trade was good for both sides.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 19, 2016 13:03:53 GMT -5
I think most GMs would take a #1 C over a #1 D, all else being equal... but I could be completely wrong. You're correct in the assumption, but most hockey "pundits" would say a #1 dman is worth more, especially one of Hedman's caliber. From the pov of my team, I think the lack of a true #1 D over the years has consistently hurt my chances. It's always been bandaids, and rentals on the back end. Whereas I've always had a good-great #1 C. Just think there's a lot more #1 Cs out there than #1 Ds.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 19, 2016 13:20:53 GMT -5
I think most GMs would take a #1 C over a #1 D, all else being equal... but I could be completely wrong. You're correct in the assumption, but most hockey "pundits" would say a #1 dman is worth more, especially one of Hedman's caliber. From the pov of my team, I think the lack of a true #1 D over the years has consistently hurt my chances. It's always been bandaids, and rentals on the back end. Whereas I've always had a good-great #1 C. Just think there's a lot more #1 Cs out there than #1 Ds. True, but I currently have Letang and with Maatta and Orlov are young and getting better and could potentially fill the void one day. It was more about what the team needed and for every team it's different I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
I think this trade helps the Sharks quite a bit this year, Bergeron is going to bw a tough center to play against. But I think down the road it will be a pretty even trade and with Pittsburgh already having some good d-men he gets a true younger number one center.
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Post by MontyBurns on Sept 19, 2016 17:11:06 GMT -5
Wow another big one! If ever it made sense to trade a stud like forsberg on a rebuilding team, that was the way to do it!
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