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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Aug 6, 2016 14:40:30 GMT -5
I considered a "No" vote, but actually didn't vote; wasn't sure if I was biased as I had interest in Allen and had some discussions about him, so I laid off voting...
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Post by Hawks on Aug 6, 2016 14:51:25 GMT -5
It wasn't a COMPLETELY terrible trade, but it wasn't that great. I agree Brodin is hardly a franchise player too btw. I wasn't personally aware of Parise's contract situation when I voted, its rare for a player to have a contract like that at this point, most have been molded over the years to always end at 30, so didn't even think to check.
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Post by AvsGM on Aug 6, 2016 14:52:06 GMT -5
From my discussions with him I'm pretty positive he wouldn't have had he known he would not be able to re-sign Parise, obviously not your fault. Well I didn't mean it like a franchise cornerstone such as Tavares, Stamkos, Benn etc... but a 23-year old top 10 pick going into only his 5th season is likely to be around for a while contributing, heck it even took Hedman 4 seasons to really start putting it together.
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Post by Philly on Aug 6, 2016 15:00:22 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder how many gm's look at the rules. I've heard several ask questions about the off season schedule, yet there it is in the rules.
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Post by Philly on Aug 6, 2016 15:08:52 GMT -5
It wasn't a COMPLETELY terrible trade, but it wasn't that great. I agree Brodin is hardly a franchise player too btw. I wasn't personally aware of Parise's contract situation when I voted, its rare for a player to have a contract like that at this point, most have been molded over the years to always end at 30, so didn't even think to check. Once in a while you see one at 31-32. I saw a gm sign a 28 yr old to a 4yr contract, and asked him why he did that, his answer was his salary was low. That GM left the league.
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Post by gmcanucks on Aug 6, 2016 15:28:25 GMT -5
Am I missing something? All players only have 2 years left on their contract at age 32. Parise isn't any different. I'm not sure why any GM would think a 32-year old wouldn't be a UFA at the end of the contract. That's just crazy.
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Post by Philly on Aug 6, 2016 15:38:11 GMT -5
Am I missing something? All players only have 2 years left on their contract at age 32. Parise isn't any different. I'm not sure why any GM would think a 32-year old wouldn't be a UFA at the end of the contract. That's just crazy. Not all, if you give them 4yr contracts at 28 or 29. Talkin about 2 different things here Joe. Looks like Parise was signed to 4yrs at 30 and your point is well taken.
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Post by gmcanucks on Aug 6, 2016 15:43:47 GMT -5
I guess my concern is that this discussion is somehow creating the thought in Mike's mind that I took advantage of him some way. Which is not even close to the truth. Or that he got a terrible deal. He got a quality Top 6 forward for the next 2 years and a Top 15 pick, that statistically will be a very good roster player at worse, and has a good chance of being an impact player.
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Post by SensGM on Aug 6, 2016 15:46:13 GMT -5
It wasn't a COMPLETELY terrible trade, but it wasn't that great. I agree Brodin is hardly a franchise player too btw. I wasn't personally aware of Parise's contract situation when I voted, its rare for a player to have a contract like that at this point, most have been molded over the years to always end at 30, so didn't even think to check. Once in a while you see one at 31-32. I saw a gm sign a 28 yr old to a 4yr contract, and asked him why he did that, his answer was his salary was low. That GM left the league. i just wanna be clear about the fact that this is a bad move cause you can sign him to a 2 year deal till he's 30 the. See if he's worth signing into in FA years right?
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Post by RangersRon on Aug 6, 2016 15:48:47 GMT -5
Changed my vote to figure it out for next season I agree next year
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Post by Philly on Aug 6, 2016 16:00:29 GMT -5
Once in a while you see one at 31-32. I saw a gm sign a 28 yr old to a 4yr contract, and asked him why he did that, his answer was his salary was low. That GM left the league. i just wanna be clear about the fact that this is a bad move cause you can sign him to a 2 year deal till he's 30 the. See if he's worth signing into in FA years right? Correct Hunter. 28 - 2yrs 27 - 3yrs 29 - 1yr.. etc..
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Post by Hawks on Aug 6, 2016 16:13:16 GMT -5
I guess my concern is that this discussion is somehow creating the thought in Mike's mind that I took advantage of him some way. Which is not even close to the truth. Or that he got a terrible deal. He got a quality Top 6 forward for the next 2 years and a Top 15 pick, that statistically will be a very good roster player at worse, and has a good chance of being an impact player. You are not at fault, its not your job to remind the person you are trading with of the contract rules or any other clearly visible detail.
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Post by Hawks on Aug 6, 2016 16:17:42 GMT -5
Am I missing something? All players only have 2 years left on their contract at age 32. Parise isn't any different. I'm not sure why any GM would think a 32-year old wouldn't be a UFA at the end of the contract. That's just crazy. Yeah, we are over-thinking it I guess. He's 32, he's on the last 2 years of his last RFA contract.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Aug 6, 2016 16:22:51 GMT -5
Of course, in no way is Joe at fault - don't think anybody implying.
I think we sometimes underestimate the learning curve of a league like this. It's also one thing to read it in the rules and perhaps another to garner the implications for your franchise down the road from reading the rules alone. To many of us longtimers, it makes sense now, but I'm guessing it always wasn't that way!
In that way, it's not the fault of Pens Mike either if he's having second thoughts about said trade.
Could easily see this as tough situation for a new/relatively new GM - don't want to scare off those who are still learning the ropes. Of course, after a period of time the training wheels have to come off, but it doesn't happen overnight.
{Oh, Ray, I was one of the ones asking for "Offseason Timetable" - I forgot it was in the rules - I was thinking that it was in here in the forum under the current season thread - so we can all be guilty of not knowing everything around here! ; ) }
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Aug 6, 2016 16:32:13 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
A lot of discussion about the trade. I knew Parise was going to hit Free Agency in 2 years when I traded for him, he was one of the players I requested from Joe in the trade talks. My price was a top 6 forward and that's what I received, along with another first round pick and a third.
Not sure why I'm being called a rebuild team as I made the playoffs last year? Not only that I gave the Panthers a run for my money when everyone counted me out, predicting I would get 4-0 swept. I have a good young team right now, with Hoffman and Horvat as young forwards on the rise, as well as defensemen Maatta and Orlov, I think I am in a pretty good place for the future. Right now I might be a middle of the pack team and I think that Parise helps my team to take it to that next level. In 2 years when he becomes a free agent who knows, I might not even need him because I have Zacha and Nylander just waiting to break out.
I understand how people might be frustrated by this but I agreed to the trade, and I still think I helped my team. If I didn't? Well I guess we will all find out!
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