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Post by Kraken Bobby on Jan 10, 2018 7:33:18 GMT -5
When did Ottawa become the Maple Leafs? Dropping in the standings like rock and loaded up with bad bad contracts. Phaneufs contract is horrible, Bobby Ryans is still another 4 years after this. Karrlsson wanting every penny hes worth ( careful what you wish for) Ottawa had always been pretty good at managing their money and made some shrewd decisions sometimes in error (see Chara Hossa) but the last few years they have been trying to grasp that unattainable ring and hurting themselves like Leaf teams past. They even started the Leaf tradition of exiling legendary veterans like Alfredsson. Nothing screams Harold Ballard like pissing off a guy whos gone through the wall for you. Its not pretty there and its no wonder with the crazy price of tickets the fans aren't showing up. I know.... they should build a brand new building downtown that will fix everything. Screw the valley fans!! There used to be groups of guys at work that bought season tix together and I know Aarons crew used to as well. Cant even afford those anymore with 4 guys splitting the cost. I see Quebec in the not too distant future.
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Post by WHALERS_GM_AL on Jan 10, 2018 8:20:47 GMT -5
Personally, I doubt that a new arena in "LeBreton Flats" will make a difference.
Big contracts for guys not producing; moving players that were dressing room leaders or wanted to stay in Ottawa in favor of younger supposedly more talented players; inconsistent goaltending from year to year (cause lets admit it, when Anderson has a good year, his next one will be bad); alienating the face of the franchise (Alfie) has made others wonder what kind of treatment they will get and if they should stay; and many more other reasons have the Sens where they are now.
Depending on how the offseason goes, and which Anderson shows up next September, the Sens might be the same team that they were last season, as long as the current management does not mess things up. To be honest, I am not to convince that Dorion is the right man for the job. That job should have gone to Alfie; but they were still pissed he left to go play in Detroit, that they decided to give it to Dorion.
As for the Quebec option, with Bettman as the commissioner, I am not sure that they will get a team anytime soon, and if and when they do, will it be expansion or relocation? Only time will tell...
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Post by LeafsGM on Jan 10, 2018 8:58:33 GMT -5
As a Leafs fan I actually came to really admire the Sens last year, hard the believe but true. Love Karlsson, Stone, and Hoffman. Watching them go deep in the playoffs was very respectable, and was pulling for them to beat the stupid Pens so that my Preds would have an easier finals lol.
But this season the chickens came home to roost.. Number 1 problem is Eugene (shameful to share his name) Melnyk. Can't stand owners like him - scruple, over involved and meddling, love the media and face time. Anderson sucks, i don't care if he has a good year here and there. Some contracts are definitely awful like Ryan and Phaneuf, what were they thinking, these guys haven't been good since 2008. Don't care for Duchene or the way he exited, it's not a coincidence the Avs have been ripping it up since he left. It's pretty embarrassing, but just watch them play their best game of the season tonight to stick it to us lol.
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Jan 10, 2018 9:48:07 GMT -5
Post by Kraken Bobby on Jan 10, 2018 9:48:07 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic regarding a new building I watched last year with some amazement as I truly thought it was a Cinderella run. Anderson was outstanding and surpassed Carey Price as my favorite goalie ( remember Im a Leaf fan so both those guys torment me) Eugene was the savior of the Sens and they probably wouldn't still be in Ottawa if it weren't for him but he is their worst enemy right now. Hes alienating the fans by blaming the attendance woes on them. No mention of the ridiculous ticket prices, no mention of the terrible decision making re player movement. They have still drafted well and Dorion gets some credit there but I agree with Al that he probably isn't the best GM for the job but who knows how much Melnyk is pulling the puppet strings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 11:24:34 GMT -5
As a Leafs fan I actually came to really admire the Sens last year, hard the believe but true. Love Karlsson, Stone, and Hoffman. Watching them go deep in the playoffs was very respectable, and was pulling for them to beat the stupid Pens so that my Preds would have an easier finals lol. But this season the chickens came home to roost.. Number 1 problem is Eugene (shameful to share his name) Melnyk. Can't stand owners like him - scruple, over involved and meddling, love the media and face time. Anderson sucks, i don't care if he has a good year here and there. Some contracts are definitely awful like Ryan and Phaneuf, what were they thinking, these guys haven't been good since 2008. Don't care for Duchene or the way he exited, it's not a coincidence the Avs have been ripping it up since he left. It's pretty embarrassing, but just watch them play their best game of the season tonight to stick it to us lol. The hell's wrong with you? I'm sorry, as a leafs fan... I could never get behind the sens. I hate them with everything I have. As far as their team is concerned... I think it was just a cinderella run last year... and becoming the "pesky sens" or whatever the heck that was. This year, there's a few factors behind their failures.. Erik Karlsson had major surgery and didn't have a training camp... he's not the greatest all around defenseman to begin with so that puts him even more behind the 8-ball. Phaneufs a pilon... I'm still not sure how we convinced them to take that deal WITH all of the money. Bobby Ryan is flat out garbage... and to me, they dealt the guy that i felt was emerging as their leader in Kyle Turris... the guy they SHOULD have given the money to that he was asking for! Anderson's an average goalie... probably bottom 10 in starters for the league, Hoffman's meh... I mean the one silver lining is these guys have good young guys coming up like Logan Brown, Chabot.. and the other defenseman that escapes my memory at the moment. In terms of Eugene Melnyk... here's the thing. Whether you like him or not.. he owns that team and he has the right to be as involved or not as involved as he chooses. Not to say it's right, but it's HIS right. If the NHL felt that that market was great but had a shitty Owner, I'm sure they'd do something about it. The thing is, ... who the heck would buy that team even if it WAS for sale? and i get that the location of the arena is horrible... but I don't recall it being an issue for attendance before? It's only recently that they've tarped seats. It's only recently that they haven't sold out conference final games. I don't recall them having this issue when they went to the cup finals against the Ducks but correct me if I'm wrong sens fans? Anyways... it is a shame that they're big centennial celebration was ruined by all the turmoil but it is what it is.. and I do believe the franchise' days are numbered. I'd wager a guess that they go to Quebec. Quebec will get a team in a similar fashion that Winnipeg got one.. it'll have to be a "save" situation where the league needs a solution quickly. Whether that's Arizona, Florida, Carolina or Ottawa.. remains to be seen but the NHL has options on where they can go with Seattle, Houston and Quebec. It's a decent situation for the league for once.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:41:15 GMT -5
Post by SensGM on Jan 12, 2018 17:41:15 GMT -5
it hurts to read this thread.......
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Jan 12, 2018 17:53:44 GMT -5
Post by SensGM on Jan 12, 2018 17:53:44 GMT -5
Look bottom line whether or not you think the team or its players are bad, the problems start from the top and work their way down. Dont even get me started on Eugene, i hate that man with every fiber of my being. So many bad moves. tickets arent selling lets fire one of the teams founders, lets throw the fans under the bus for not buying tickets even though if i do that they will stop buying tickets even more. Dont get me wrong as a sens fan honestly there is no fan i hate more than most other sens fans, terrible excuses about how expensive games are and just terrible attitude at games in general (im starting to see why leafs and habs fans hate us so much).
Anyway the arena is in a terrible spot. will moving it downtown fix the issue? Who knows. it may be the thing we needed it may not make a difference. The thing i think the issue is, is that fans supported the team and melnyk when the team was successful. as the years have gone one that has disappeared because Eugene would rather waste money on the coaches he fires after 1.5-2 seasons, instead of hiring a proven coach. same with the GM position. years go by and we watch players like alfie, turris, chara all walk or get moved for nothing. the fans have had enough and eugene just keeps digging a deeper hole. throwing the fans under the bus is not the way to fix this.
in the last month he has managed to piss off the fans, the NHL, and the city and NCC. hes losing his revenue, his shot at this new arena he wants so desperately (and just like the failed casino bid, or MLS team, hes just going to cry in the media about it.), and it will be a matter of time before hes forced to sell or move. obviously id rather he didnt move the team. If the NHL allows him to move them to Quebec while teams like Arizona or Carolina can sit and cost them money, my days watching NHL hockey are as numbered as the teams days in Ottawa.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:58:25 GMT -5
Post by Kraken Bobby on Jan 12, 2018 17:58:25 GMT -5
For every "downtown" fan that the Sens pick up by building a new rink they will lose from towns like Brockville Prescott Perth and Renfrew. Those fans are not going to want to drive further into the city and longer out for no parking and sitting even longer in traffic
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Jan 12, 2018 18:03:58 GMT -5
Post by SensGM on Jan 12, 2018 18:03:58 GMT -5
For every "downtown" fan that the Sens pick up by building a new rink they will lose from towns like Brockville Prescott Perth and Renfrew. Those fans are not going to want to drive further into the city and longer out for no parking and sitting even longer in traffic and thats fair. like i said who knows if it actually fixes the issue. on the flip side of that coin, there are probably more sens fans out in the west end of the city then in Brockville, Prescott, Perth and Renfrew. as for the no parking we wouldnt know that till they built the arena lets not add things we dont know here. sure traffic and parking will be a pain but its even worse for leafs fans and they make it to games. the problem is that sens fans are the most flip flop fans in the league, and melnyk isnt fixing the problem by blaming them and not his terrible business acumen
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Jan 12, 2018 19:47:13 GMT -5
Post by Kraken Bobby on Jan 12, 2018 19:47:13 GMT -5
Ah but Hunter we do know about the parking because it reported in the paper that the new arena will have 75% less onsite parking because its being built on the LRT system and houses many other residential areas
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Post by SensGM on Jan 12, 2018 22:22:45 GMT -5
Ah but Hunter we do know about the parking because it reported in the paper that the new arena will have 75% less onsite parking because its being built on the LRT system and houses many other residential areas if the arena even gets built lol but fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 12:28:56 GMT -5
Just curious... if Melnyk sold the team, who would buy the team? Are there any prospective guys out there that are interested?
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Post by WHALERS_GM_AL on Jan 18, 2018 13:14:47 GMT -5
From what I have been told by someone that claims to know some players personally, is that there is a strong possibility that Melnik might have to sale in a couple of years at most. Apparently, the team might be his only source of income. As for a possible suitor, I heard that maybe the guy from "Cirque du Soleil" could be interested in buying.
Of course, all of this is all hear say, and until it is confirmed by a reliable source, no one can really say for sure, what will happen
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Post by Kraken Bobby on Jan 18, 2018 13:57:27 GMT -5
Former President Cyril Leeder is involved with putting together a possible ownership group rumoured to involve 67's/RedBlacks owner Jeff Hunt.
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Post by SensGM on Jan 18, 2018 17:37:48 GMT -5
both of those ownership groups have been brought to light. the one with the Cirque du Soleil was the competing bid for the Lebreton redevelopment. He is also very good friends with bettman apparently. I personally would like the Leeder/Hunt group after having seen first hand how OSEG runs their teams im all for it. Also yes the team is Melnyks only source of revenue right now. so he either needs to sell or figure out a way to get fans in seast because it sounds like his shot at Lebreton is falling apart.
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