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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 6, 2018 21:24:52 GMT -5
I don’t see how there is an argument that sooner is better, if you don’t like what you see now you get to try again in the future. You may lose development time on the player you would have gotten this year but there is just as much chance that the player drafted in 2020 would be much better. This 100%. Exactly how I see it. End of day it's subjective, everyone will have varying views on picks as much as they do about UFAs. Just wouldn't think such a minor deal would cause such a stir. No need for any quitting, a good ol debate is always healthy for the league. You'd think the Crosby deal would be more dissected, but nope!
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Post by Hawks on Sept 6, 2018 21:26:07 GMT -5
And would a 2018 pick give him more value in return than a 2020 pick? Yes, so he gained value didn't he? Did he gain value without giving up anything? Yes as well. It's like trading $20 in cash for $20 in pennies. You can spend the cash, nobody wants your pennies. The only whining I see is from you, that you wanna leave because you don't like the rules, so I guess opinions are broad. You clearly don't read your own posts enough Well, since its been proven that people imprint their own emotional state into the text that they read, I think that says a lot about you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 21:27:52 GMT -5
I don’t see how there is an argument that sooner is better, if you don’t like what you see now you get to try again in the future. You may lose development time on the player you would have gotten this year but there is just as much chance that the player drafted in 2020 would be much better. This 100%. Exactly how I see it. End of day it's subjective, everyone will have varying views on picks as much as they do about UFAs. Just wouldn't think such a minor deal would cause such a stir. No need for any quitting, a good ol debate is always healthy for the league. You'd think the Crosby deal would be more dissected, but nope! Lol stop u already committed one felony tonight... don’t call me out on this
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Post by Hawks on Sept 6, 2018 21:32:29 GMT -5
I don’t see how there is an argument that sooner is better, if you don’t like what you see now you get to try again in the future. You may lose development time on the player you would have gotten this year but there is just as much chance that the player drafted in 2020 would be much better. There is a CHANCE a 5th round pick becomes a hall-of-fame player too, does that make a 1st round just as valuable as a 5th? There has to be SOME value applied to the 2 year difference, just as you'd have one for picks in different rounds. This 100%. Exactly how I see it. End of day it's subjective, everyone will have varying views on picks as much as they do about UFAs. Just wouldn't think such a minor deal would cause such a stir. No need for any quitting, a good ol debate is always healthy for the league. You'd think the Crosby deal would be more dissected, but nope! At least the Crosby deal had some measure of sense to it.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 6, 2018 21:45:21 GMT -5
Every year we get excited about drafts, especially if you're rebuilding. Sure I can get excited about Magnus Farnstrom at the 75-80 range and really hope I end up drafting him but then he plays 50 games in the ECHL and goes back home to play in the beer league and I'm left with emptiness and regret.
Everything past the top 40-50 is a crap shoot and let's not pretend we all knew the odd diamond in the ruff we once drafted will be good (ok maybe Chris does, pretty sure he personally meets every draft eligible player). One crap shoot pick for another crap shoot pick isn't enough to cause outrage IMO. I would gladly flip Al an extra 2018 5th if it makes everyone feel better. Maybe he'll be able to get Pjaarvi Davari Svensson with it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 21:52:47 GMT -5
You can’t honestly think comparing a fifth round to a first is the same as a third to a third? The chances of a first rounder becoming a star are obviously higher than a fifth but if the chances are the same like the third rounders would be, than there is no harm in delaying that chance.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 6, 2018 21:53:47 GMT -5
Every year we get excited about drafts, especially if you're rebuilding. Sure I can get excited about Magnus Farnstrom at the 75-80 range and really hope I end up drafting him but then he plays 50 games in the ECHL and goes back home to play in the beer league and I'm left with emptiness and regret. Everything past the top 40-50 is a crap shoot and let's not pretend we all knew the odd diamond in the ruff we once drafted will be good (ok maybe Chris does, pretty sure he personally meets every draft eligible player). One crap shoot pick for another crap shoot pick isn't enough to cause outrage IMO. I would gladly flip Al an extra 2018 5th if it makes everyone feel better. Maybe he'll be able to get Pjaarvi Davari Svensson with it Really that's all it would take to make it a real trade, the 5th. I got a question: Has there ever been a trade like this in the NHL?
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 6, 2018 21:57:29 GMT -5
I am so sorry I said anything
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Post by Hawks on Sept 6, 2018 22:02:14 GMT -5
You can’t honestly think comparing a fifth round to a first is the same as a third to a third? The chances of a first rounder becoming a star are obviously higher than a fifth but if the chances are the same like the third rounders would be, than there is no harm in delaying that chance. I don't think they are the same, but my point was deciding things on "there is a chance" is not a good argument. There is always a chance, that's a given. I think a chance now is worth more than chance later, and 2 years is a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 22:19:55 GMT -5
I am so sorry I said anything Why? Don’t u want a passionate debate?
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 6, 2018 22:26:15 GMT -5
(wrestling chant) This is awesome! This is awesome!
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Post by WHALERS_GM_AL on Sept 6, 2018 23:54:44 GMT -5
WOW!!! It seems like at least once a year, I make one trade that cause a great debate...
Moving the pick was my main priority as I did not want any picks in 2018. Also the players that were offered to me did not interest me, and I did not want to add a salary.
So when I got offered the later year pick, it was perfect fit for me. I get to move the pick and not add salary.
You say I lose 2 years of development? I don't see it that way, cause the player, that will be available in 2 years, will have developed just as much; only difference is that it will be at lower lvl of hockey due to his age.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 0:03:08 GMT -5
I can easily think of several reasons to make a move like this. I see absolutely zero reason to reject it, even if it is not a strategy you would employ yourself. I was actually going to suggest when I saw it that I'd be more than ok if Jon would simply process trades like this one (that are no-brainers) without wasting his time posting on the board for voting. Oooops!!!
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 7, 2018 1:37:06 GMT -5
I am so sorry I said anything Why? Don’t u want a passionate debate? Yes, but it looked like it was going sideways for a second.
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 7, 2018 1:37:26 GMT -5
I got home late tonight, will process trades in the afternoon.
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