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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 12:14:42 GMT -5
I still believe a bird in the hand is worth more, then a gamble. Now that's my opinion and you are certainly within your rights to have your opinion, with all do respect.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 12:17:44 GMT -5
How is it any different if someone waits until it is their pick or trades it now. Maybe I am doing it for one player but maybe someone else doesn’t like the whole third round range of players. If sooner is more valuable than later, that shouldn’t be an issue to you. I also brought up that’s there’s a chance the future pick is a better player and you say that’s not a good argument but yet you bring up how it could be a worse player as an argument. It doesn’t work both ways. Chance is a given, as previously stated and is such a dice roll that I don't consider it a factor. Ducks could get a hall-of-famer with that 2020 3rd pick....sure I guess. And Toronto could get one now. Lets assume BOTH picks are great players: Toronto then gets 2 years or useable ratings before Ducks ever gets to use his player. Are those 2 years of ratings worth NOTHING? Historically, in our league, 2 years of ratings is worth quite a bit. (Hell, I can't move Kopitar for an worse C because he has 1 year less contract FFS) If they are both bad, its basically a wash. If Ducks get the better player, he still has to wait longer to get to use him (3rd round pick, lets say best case, 2 years in the minors, so FIVE years from now he'll be rated) If Toronto get the better player, then he really really wins the deal he'd have his ratings in 3 years while in 5 ducks has nothing to show for it. I see Toronto winning the deal in 3/4ths of these scenarios, if thats not uneven, what is?
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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 12:24:42 GMT -5
If I thought I could get a 3rd rd pick in this draft for a 3rd rd pick 2-3 yrs down the road, I would have jumped right on it, and so would many others IMO.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 12:24:49 GMT -5
Ok, let's test this out then:
Open trade offer:
To Hawks Year 2018: CGY 1, PIT 2, CGY 3, CGY 4, CGY 5
To Flames Year 2020: CHI 1, CHI 2, CHI 3, CHI 4, CHI 5
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 12:29:37 GMT -5
Ok, let's test this out then: Open trade offer: To Hawks Year 2018: CGY 1, PIT 2, CGY 3, CGY 4, CGY 5 To Flames Year 2020: CHI 1, CHI 2, CHI 3, CHI 4, CHI 5 Of Course you had to make it the 26th pick when you have a ton of them, lol. You want me to post this? Cause I will with a giant smile on my face Chris.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 12:34:39 GMT -5
Ok, let's test this out then: Open trade offer: To Hawks Year 2018: CGY 1, PIT 2, CGY 3, CGY 4, CGY 5 To Flames Year 2020: CHI 1, CHI 2, CHI 3, CHI 4, CHI 5 Of Course you had to make it the 26th pick when you have a ton of them, lol. You want me to post this? Cause I will with a giant smile on my face Chris. Done.
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Post by RangersRon on Sept 7, 2018 12:34:42 GMT -5
If giving someone something for nothing ever becomes automatic, I think I'll be the one quitting. I wish I could take all my draft picks and take 2 years off them for nothing spent. It is definitely not something for nothing plus deal is in eye of beholder. If one GM does not see alot of talent in this draft and likes who up next season that GM can trade away his earlier 3rd for later 3rd, his choice. May not be mine or yours but as I would definitely want a little more for earlier pick!
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 12:39:54 GMT -5
All of Flames (i.e. my own) 2019 picks available for all of someone's 2020 picks; may consider 2021 picks
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 12:41:38 GMT -5
If giving someone something for nothing ever becomes automatic, I think I'll be the one quitting. I wish I could take all my draft picks and take 2 years off them for nothing spent. It is definitely not something for nothing plus deal is in eye of beholder. If one GM does not see alot of talent in this draft and likes who up next season that GM can trade away his earlier 3rd for later 3rd, his choice. May not be mine or yours but as I would definitely want a little more for earlier pick! 3rd rounders are like throwing darts at a dart board. You can't really claim "there is nobody worthwhile" because many good players have been taken in the 3rd round, I think personally its a very solid draft round, 4 and 5 tends to be worthless, but 3rd's have a history of surprising, there are quite a few notable 3rds, but either way, its like throwing darts, none of us really have any idea if any of those guys will pan out, so to say "there are no good players I want"....is frankly silly, the pool is exactly the same talent level as it will be in 2020, is he gonna move his 2020 for a 2022 when he decides in 2 years there is nobody he wants then too?
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 7, 2018 12:45:37 GMT -5
Yea I have to say Gavin, continuously saying the deal is something for nothing will not get your point across. The opinions are split on the value of the 2 year difference, but nothing? Cmon now.. And I will say this again, everything is relative. Talks about flipping 3rds does not equal talks about 1sts, or 2nds, or 5ths for that matter. One shoe does not fit all! You tend to generalize and hyperbolize when it comes to making your argument, and you just won't get unanimous agreement that way. To each their own, especially when it comes to managing their assets.
The debate and discussion has definitely been fun though, I must say. Can't wait for the next controversial deal I make, will try to make that one even more spicy for some armageddon type debate. Get your popcorn ready y'all
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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 12:45:42 GMT -5
I'd take that trade if you want to make it 2021 Chris. Keeping in mind that 2018 and 2019 picks 1st - 2nd and 3rd rd picks could land one decent comp for someones RFA
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 12:49:01 GMT -5
I'd take that trade if you want to make it 2021 Chris. Keeping in mind that 2018 and 2019 picks 1st and 2nd rd picks could land you decent comp for someones RFA K, so: To Flyers: Year 2019: CGY 1, CGY 2, CGY 4, CGY 5 To Flames: Year 2021: PHI 1, PHI 2, PHI 4, PHI 5 That what ya had in mind, Ray? If so, I agree. We can send in or Gavin can post - whatever you prefer.
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Post by Philly on Sept 7, 2018 12:51:32 GMT -5
Send it to Gavin Chris and I'll accept it.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 7, 2018 12:58:15 GMT -5
Yea I have to say Gavin, continuously saying the deal is something for nothing will not get your point across. The opinions are split on the value of the 2 year difference, but nothing? Cmon now.. And I will say this again, everything is relative. Talks about flipping 3rds does not equal talks about 1sts, or 2nds, or 5ths for that matter. One shoe does not fit all! You tend to generalize and hyperbolize when it comes to making your argument, and you just won't get unanimous agreement that way. To each their own, especially when it comes to managing their assets. The debate and discussion has definitely been fun though, I must say. Can't wait for the next controversial deal I make, will try to make that one even more spicy for some armageddon type debate. Get your popcorn ready y'all Thats cause I tend to look at things from all angles, which is where my hyperbole comes from, I see the potential for extremes that others seem to gloss over and ignore, I'm too familiar with murphy's law, I know those extremes like to happen. I generalize to try and simplify, as the truth is easier to see that way.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 7, 2018 12:58:47 GMT -5
Send it to Gavin Chris and I'll accept it. Done. I'll do the same for my 2020 picks - for someone's 2021 picks. Who else rejected the deal? Kev?
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