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Post by RedWings_Mike on Oct 23, 2019 14:36:24 GMT -5
To people vetoing the DET/EDM trade - I'm pretty sure Detroit has too many players and is looking to get under the maximum before season starts/before signing unassigned players. At first glance I literally dropped a WTF but Hunter is at 50.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 23, 2019 14:42:42 GMT -5
Yea I don't think people realize it's not easy to get someone to take on useless contracts in the middle of off season. You have to pay
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Post by SensGM on Oct 23, 2019 15:21:21 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't NEED to move players but I was at 50 and I needed space to go after some guys in unassigned. So by all means this a a dump trade. I dont think it's completely unfair cause even at low salaries he's taking on 1.25M in unnecessary salary to help me out.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 23, 2019 15:33:59 GMT -5
People reject the most random trades.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 29, 2019 8:42:12 GMT -5
Realize he's 10 mil, but is it me or is two 2nds for arguably the best overall rated player in the league not nearly enough?
Edit: took a closer look to see if the SJ players sent have any value, and still no. Fully get that Fla signed him for free and his cap hit is enormous, but 3 years of Bergeron's ratings are worth WAY more than that. I just don't understand this deal.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Oct 29, 2019 10:10:22 GMT -5
Realize he's 10 mil, but is it me or is two 2nds for arguably the best overall rated player in the league not nearly enough? Edit: took a closer look to see if the SJ players sent have any value, and still no. Fully get that Fla signed him for free and his cap hit is enormous, but 3 years of Bergeron's ratings are worth WAY more than that. I just don't understand this deal. *Also wonder if there's a set time frame signed UFAs should stay with a team before they can be traded (guess be more work and tough to enforce)...
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 29, 2019 12:44:05 GMT -5
*Also wonder if there's a set time frame signed UFAs should stay with a team before they can be traded (guess be more work and tough to enforce)... I think there should be for 10mil players, something to discuss. I also think the benefit of being the last place team and being able to trump other teams should only apply to the first 10mil player you sign, then you go to the back of the line like waivers.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 29, 2019 12:48:02 GMT -5
Realize he's 10 mil, but is it me or is two 2nds for arguably the best overall rated player in the league not nearly enough? Edit: took a closer look to see if the SJ players sent have any value, and still no. Fully get that Fla signed him for free and his cap hit is enormous, but 3 years of Bergeron's ratings are worth WAY more than that. I just don't understand this deal. Gustav Lindstrom was a 2nd in 2017. Berdin is also a good goaltending prospect. So there is more to the deal there. Second, there is a limited market for a $10 million dollar player and that affects value. How many contenders can afford a $10 million cap hit outright? Last, saying that Bergeron is going to be rated this way from the next three years is assuming a lot, he is already on a slower PPG pace than he had last year.
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Post by Philly on Oct 29, 2019 12:52:24 GMT -5
Well said Jake. Let's not punish GM's for good cap management.
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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 29, 2019 13:04:34 GMT -5
*Also wonder if there's a set time frame signed UFAs should stay with a team before they can be traded (guess be more work and tough to enforce)... I think there should be for 10mil players, something to discuss. I think that makes a lot of sense. I would be okay with a waiver order like that (and hopefully I'll never be in a position to need it again) I also think the benefit of being the last place team and being able to trump other teams should only apply to the first 10mil player you sign, then you go to the back of the line like waivers.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 29, 2019 13:20:38 GMT -5
I think there should be for 10mil players, something to discuss. I think that makes a lot of sense. I would be okay with a waiver order like that (and hopefully I'll never be in a position to need it again) I also think the benefit of being the last place team and being able to trump other teams should only apply to the first 10mil player you sign, then you go to the back of the line like waivers. Do you need help properly using board quotes and replies? Because this is painfully butchered
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Oct 29, 2019 13:27:55 GMT -5
Realize he's 10 mil, but is it me or is two 2nds for arguably the best overall rated player in the league not nearly enough? Edit: took a closer look to see if the SJ players sent have any value, and still no. Fully get that Fla signed him for free and his cap hit is enormous, but 3 years of Bergeron's ratings are worth WAY more than that. I just don't understand this deal. Gustav Lindstrom was a 2nd in 2017. Berdin is also a good goaltending prospect. So there is more to the deal there. Second, there is a limited market for a $10 million dollar player and that affects value. How many contenders can afford a $10 million cap hit outright? Last, saying that Bergeron is going to be rated this way from the next three years is assuming a lot, he is already on a slower PPG pace than he had last year. I think Jake shouldn't have to trade as much because Bergeron's contract being 10 mil makes him less valuable. Bergeron at 5 or 6 mil would warrant more, Bergeron at 10 mil isn't the same at least in my mind. Source: 20 other teams said they'd take on Panarin but wouldn't give up that much because of his contract.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 29, 2019 13:59:36 GMT -5
Gustav Lindstrom was a 2nd in 2017. Berdin is also a good goaltending prospect. So there is more to the deal there. Second, there is a limited market for a $10 million dollar player and that affects value. How many contenders can afford a $10 million cap hit outright? Last, saying that Bergeron is going to be rated this way from the next three years is assuming a lot, he is already on a slower PPG pace than he had last year. Agree that the market is limited, but by no means is this the best time to get proper value for him. Cap increase time the market will go way up for those ratings. For someone like Kevin to land the top UFA center only to flip him for scraps (no offense, but they are), just doesn't make sense to me. It's not like he's desperately trying to make space to resign someone else. On your point about his NHL numbers, just checked and he's almost on pace to match everything from last year. Willing to bet the guy will be 75-77OV for the remainder of his contract. I get it, any max deal is awful for a hard cap league and can really screw you. But based on all the current factors that's the worst value I've ever seen for a 77OV player who would easily be the top player on any contender this season.
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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 29, 2019 14:02:10 GMT -5
I have absolutely no Do you need help properly using board quotes and replies? Because this is painfully butchered idea What you are talking about
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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 29, 2019 14:04:46 GMT -5
Gustav Lindstrom was a 2nd in 2017. Berdin is also a good goaltending prospect. So there is more to the deal there. Second, there is a limited market for a $10 million dollar player and that affects value. How many contenders can afford a $10 million cap hit outright? Last, saying that Bergeron is going to be rated this way from the next three years is assuming a lot, he is already on a slower PPG pace than he had last year. Agree that the market is limited, but by no means is this the best time to get proper value for him. Cap increase time the market will go way up for those ratings. For someone like Kevin to land the top UFA center only to flip him for scraps (no offense, but they are), just doesn't make sense to me. It's not like he's desperately trying to make space to resign someone else. On your point about his NHL numbers, just checked and he's almost on pace to match everything from last year. Willing to bet the guy will be 75-77OV for the remainder of his contract. I get it, any max deal is awful for a hard cap league and can really screw you. But based on all the current factors that's the worst value I've ever seen for a 77OV player who would easily be the top player on any contender this season. Its funny because i was looking at the deal and thinking that Kev did a GREAT job of turning cap space into assets. I dont love the idea of signing UFAs and flipping them the next day, but I do think that given the rules hes just adding assets for nothing. Its crap value for a 75 OV player, but he could have just as well not signed him and gotten nothing.
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