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Post by AvsGM on Feb 19, 2020 18:22:18 GMT -5
Is retaining salary on trades something we can do? So I've been giving this more thought and it would actually be very simple to do. It could follow the same exact procedure as when you drop a player under contract and part of their salary is added to your teams cap hit for the remaining years. So for example: Florida trades Ovechkin (10mil) to Colorado and Florida agrees to retain 25% of his salary. I would then make Ovechkin's salary 7.5mil and 2.5mil would be added to Florida's cap for the remainder of this contract, which in this case would be 3 years. There would definitely need to be some restrictions, and 2 of them right off the top of my head would have to be: 1. This could only be done with players who will be UFA when their contract expires. The reason for this is that when a player becomes RFA their new salary is based on ratings and might have to be averaged with the previous salary. It would be way too hard to look up every single RFA player to see if their previous salary was their true salary, or adjusted because of salary being retained from a trade. 2. There would have to be a capped percentage on the amount that could be retained. This would prevent teams from getting superstar players at a ridiculous fraction of their actual salary, and also could severely handicap a team that has retained too much salary against their cap and prevent them from being competitive for a long time to come. I'm sure there are other aspects that need to be considered, so please feel free to comment and discuss your thoughts, but this seems like something that would be relatively easy to do.
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Post by MontyBurns on Feb 19, 2020 18:56:41 GMT -5
Is retaining salary on trades something we can do? So I've been giving this more thought and it would actually be very simple to do. It could follow the same exact procedure as when you drop a player under contract and part of their salary is added to your teams cap hit for the remaining years. So for example: Florida trades Ovechkin (10mil) to Colorado and Florida agrees to retain 25% of his salary. I would then make Ovechkin's salary 7.5mil and 2.5mil would be added to Florida's cap for the remainder of this contract, which in this case would be 3 years. There would definitely need to be some restrictions, and 2 of them right off the top of my head would have to be: 1. This could only be done with players who will be UFA when their contract expires. The reason for this is that when a player becomes RFA their new salary is based on ratings and might have to be averaged with the previous salary. It would be way too hard to look up every single RFA player to see if their previous salary was their true salary, or adjusted because of salary being retained from a trade. 2. There would have to be a capped percentage on the amount that could be retained. This would prevent teams from getting superstar players at a ridiculous fraction of their actual salary, and also could severely handicap a team that has retained too much salary against their cap and prevent them from being competitive for a long time to come. I'm sure there are other aspects that need to be considered, so please feel free to comment and discuss your thoughts, but this seems like something that would be relatively easy to do. It would be very cool, but we will definitely see trades like the Bergeron one even more so then. Cap space will become super valuable. It's not a bad thing it's just a choice we are making
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Post by LeafsGM on Feb 19, 2020 19:20:47 GMT -5
Not against it in some capacity for next season but two factors that worry me: 1) it would make UFA bids even crazier 2) adds a new dimension to trade talks where gms are going back and forth on the dollar figure to be retained.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 20, 2020 3:29:48 GMT -5
So I've been giving this more thought and it would actually be very simple to do. It could follow the same exact procedure as when you drop a player under contract and part of their salary is added to your teams cap hit for the remaining years. So for example: Florida trades Ovechkin (10mil) to Colorado and Florida agrees to retain 25% of his salary. I would then make Ovechkin's salary 7.5mil and 2.5mil would be added to Florida's cap for the remainder of this contract, which in this case would be 3 years. There would definitely need to be some restrictions, and 2 of them right off the top of my head would have to be: 1. This could only be done with players who will be UFA when their contract expires. The reason for this is that when a player becomes RFA their new salary is based on ratings and might have to be averaged with the previous salary. It would be way too hard to look up every single RFA player to see if their previous salary was their true salary, or adjusted because of salary being retained from a trade. 2. There would have to be a capped percentage on the amount that could be retained. This would prevent teams from getting superstar players at a ridiculous fraction of their actual salary, and also could severely handicap a team that has retained too much salary against their cap and prevent them from being competitive for a long time to come. I'm sure there are other aspects that need to be considered, so please feel free to comment and discuss your thoughts, but this seems like something that would be relatively easy to do. It would be very cool, but we will definitely see trades like the Bergeron one even more so then. Cap space will become super valuable. It's not a bad thing it's just a choice we are making I think of this the other way around, I think it makes cap space less valuable as now teams with limited cap space have other options to find in players. Iād be all for it if the sim had a way to keep track of it for us and with some caps/restrictions. I think it would become an accounting nightmare pretty quickly though if we tried to do it manually.
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Post by MontyBurns on Feb 20, 2020 8:46:28 GMT -5
If we take the Bergeron example, imagine that the team with 10 Mile in space could take Bergeron and turn them into a 500K player. He would be ridiculously valuable!
I know John has talked about putting limits on how much salary can be retained, but Bergeron at 10 million is less valuable than Bergeron at 7 million still. It would allow us to create some crazy assets, which isn't a bad thing, it's just a thing
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Feb 20, 2020 9:28:34 GMT -5
If we take the Bergeron example, imagine that the team with 10 Mile in space could take Bergeron and turn them into a 500K player. He would be ridiculously valuable! I know John has talked about putting limits on how much salary can be retained, but Bergeron at 10 million is less valuable than Bergeron at 7 million still. It would allow us to create some crazy assets, which isn't a bad thing, it's just a thing While this is true, if I was Florida you and Jake wanted me to retain enough salary to make Bergeron at 500k player, I would make Jake give me every valuable asset to make it worth it. My point being if you a contending GM is asking to retain salary, they better pay up!
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Post by MontyBurns on Feb 20, 2020 10:22:52 GMT -5
exactly!
So if you sign a 10 mil player they become a lot more valuable now than they used to be, thats all.
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Post by LeafsGM on Feb 20, 2020 10:55:26 GMT -5
Eh after sleeping on it, I don't like it. Would anyone here actually want to retain 2-3 mil for multiple years on their cap? Can you then trade the retained cap space?
Wait until we have opinions on a trade with 75% retained salary of a 10 mil contract, and four 1sts going back as the price. All hell will break loose. Every trade offer will then include a salary retention proposition even for 5 mil players, because why not.
I would be down with having it for 1 year UFAs only, with a hard cap of say 50% retention. It might encourage more teams to stock up and make a run, which should only be good for league parity. Anything beyond that we will regret in my humble and honest opinion.
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Post by AvsGM on Feb 20, 2020 13:40:25 GMT -5
Iād be all for it if the sim had a way to keep track of it for us and with some caps/restrictions. I think it would become an accounting nightmare pretty quickly though if we tried to do it manually. I'm not sure I understand. The sim would keep track of it, just like the cap hits from dropped players with contracts.
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Post by AvsGM on Feb 20, 2020 13:42:15 GMT -5
Eh after sleeping on it, I don't like it. Would anyone here actually want to retain 2-3 mil for multiple years on their cap? Can you then trade the retained cap space? Wait until we have opinions on a trade with 75% retained salary of a 10 mil contract, and four 1sts going back as the price. All hell will break loose. Every trade offer will then include a salary retention proposition even for 5 mil players, because why not. I would be down with having it for 1 year UFAs only, with a hard cap of say 50% retention. It might encourage more teams to stock up and make a run, which should only be good for league parity. Anything beyond that we will regret in my humble and honest opinion. Yeah I was thinking like a max salary retention of like 10-15%.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 20, 2020 15:20:33 GMT -5
Iād be all for it if the sim had a way to keep track of it for us and with some caps/restrictions. I think it would become an accounting nightmare pretty quickly though if we tried to do it manually. I'm not sure I understand. The sim would keep track of it, just like the cap hits from dropped players with contracts. Oh, I thought the sim wasn't able to do retained salary in trades?
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Post by AvsGM on Feb 20, 2020 15:26:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand. The sim would keep track of it, just like the cap hits from dropped players with contracts. Oh, I thought the sim wasn't able to do retained salary in trades? Yeah I would just add it to the cap hit in the sim. It would be the same as when you drop a player and part of their salary counts against your teams cap.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 20, 2020 16:52:31 GMT -5
I'm all for it then, just definitely needs some restrictions.
I don't really think it will play out as many say it will in this thread though. Teams with tons of cap space will just retain salary to get deals done and I don't think they will necessarily value it. It lessens the value of cap space. It will make overpaid players more valuable and will further promote teams to sign $10 million dollar players and then trade them with the max amount of retained salary right away.
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