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Post by Hawks on Nov 18, 2008 9:12:37 GMT -5
Well, since I'm apparently not allowed to get another center this year and will have to deal with 57 OV 2nd line center....
Everything I signed in FA is on the block.
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Post by RangersRon on Nov 18, 2008 11:18:57 GMT -5
Brind'Amour Sillinger Stumpel Brewer Bourgue Dvorak Stillman
Send offers, Do Not Ask What Do I Want! Just don't send low ball offers they will be ignored, actually any possible offer will be ignored after low ball, so make good offer.
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Post by nyrgm on Nov 18, 2008 19:30:39 GMT -5
i would consider moving anyone on my roster just msg me about it and we can discuss some deals if you have interest, i am already discussing a deal with a gm now for Poti, anyone who has interest in him ? msg me back and see if i like your deal better than what i may be getting from the other gm
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Post by RangersRon on Nov 20, 2008 16:19:51 GMT -5
Shane Doan added to list below who could be had for the right price.
Brind'Amour Sillinger Stumpel Brewer Dvorak Stillman
Send offers, Do Not Ask What Do I Want! Just don't send low ball offers they will be ignored, actually any possible offer will be ignored after low ball, so make good offer.
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Post by AvsGM on Nov 21, 2008 16:27:32 GMT -5
Sakic, Hecht, Belanger, Kozlov, Sykora, Gionta, Jovo, Zubov, Streit, Martinek, Jones, Numminen, Huet etc.....
In return I'm looking for young quality unrated prospects. Wait, actually those guys would have no value because they have not proven anything yet. Since they have never played an NHL game I guess we don't know if they're ever really going to be any good. Sure we could look at their junior career or current stats, but that doesn't matter either since there are just as many busts as breakthroughs. Ok so make sure they were high draft picks, wait that won't work either, the bust thing again.
Ok, so in return I would like young quality rated guys. Wait, I don't think that will work either. Again, who knows what they're really going to do with their future in the NHL. Sure they are rated because they've gotten som ice time, but that doesn't mean anything either. If you offer me a guy who's is "supposed" to be good I don't think I can take him either because I have no proof he will be good. Ok so offer me young guys who are doing good in their first seasons, wait you can't do that either because we don't know if they'll sustain their level of play or not, regardless of how they are performing, and even in contrast to "can't miss" players.
Ok, so I guess offer me guys who are already established and have great ratings. But didn't I want young prospects? Yeah I did, but I'm now convinced that unless actually proven and established, any other player isn't worth much because we just don't know, and ratings and pre-NHL stats mean nothing, as we've seen 100x in the past.
But wait, you don't want to give up your already established well rated players in return for other well rated players because it wouldn't really make your team any stronger trading a 75 for a 75, good point!
What a dilema!
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Post by Philly on Nov 21, 2008 16:39:09 GMT -5
Sakic, Hecht, Belanger, Kozlov, Sykora, Gionta, Jovo, Zubov, Streit, Martinek, Jones, Numminen, Huet etc..... In return I'm looking for young quality unrated prospects. Wait, actually those guys would have no value because they have not proven anything yet. Since they have never played an NHL game I guess we don't know if they're ever really going to be any good. Sure we could look at their junior career or current stats, but that doesn't matter either since there are just as many busts as breakthroughs. Ok so make sure they were high draft picks, wait that won't work either, the bust thing again. Ok, so in return I would like young quality rated guys. Wait, I don't think that will work either. Again, who knows what they're really going to do with their future in the NHL. Sure they are rated because they've gotten som ice time, but that doesn't mean anything either. If you offer me a guy who's is "supposed" to be good I don't think I can take him either because I have no proof he will be good. Ok so offer me young guys who are doing good in their first seasons, wait you can't do that either because we don't know if they'll sustain their level of play or not, regardless of how they are performing, and even in contrast to "can't miss" players. Ok, so I guess offer me guys who are already established and have great ratings. But didn't I want young prospects? Yeah I did, but I'm now convinced that unless actually proven and established, any other player isn't worth much because we just don't know, and ratings and pre-NHL stats mean nothing, as we've seen 100x in the past. But wait, you don't want to give up your already established well rated players in return for other well rated players because it wouldn't really make your team any stronger trading a 75 for a 75, good point! What a dilema! This is great stuff and funny as it is, it is very true indeed
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Post by Hawks on Nov 21, 2008 16:43:03 GMT -5
Bitter much?
Dude, if you think Alfredsson is equal to Versteeg, I'll trade you Rod Pelley for Joe Sakic.
I mean hell, Rod Pelley back in 2004-2005 got 41 points in 41 games with Ohio state, so he must certainly be a superstar right? What, he didn't do jack shit after that season? Oh well, he is obviously still a top rated prospect because of that 1 season right?
Thats obviously fair, I'll even chuck every other nobody prospect I have on there as well, and a couple 5ths just to make it "look" more fair to everyone else.
Rookie for one of the best in the league = not a fair deal, sorry mate.
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Post by Hawks on Nov 21, 2008 16:52:23 GMT -5
In other news: Cheechoo is still available for those interested, you know what I'm looking for
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Post by AvsGM on Nov 21, 2008 16:55:42 GMT -5
Bitter much? Dude, if you think Alfredsson is equal to Versteeg, I'll trade you Rod Pelley for Joe Sakic. I mean hell, Rod Pelley back in 2004-2005 got 41 points in 41 games with Ohio state, so he must certainly be a superstar right? What, he didn't do jack shit after that season? Oh well, he is obviously still a top rated prospect because of that 1 season right? Thats obviously fair, I'll even chuck every other nobody prospect I have on there as well, and a couple 5ths just to make it "look" more fair to everyone else. Rookie for one of the best in the league = not a fair deal, sorry mate. Horrible analogy! Especially taking into consideration Pelley has played in 67 NHL games and totaled 6 points. C'mon Gavin, I know you can do better than that when making a point! And by stating that we're trying to make it "look" fair, again is just bullshit!
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Post by AvsGM on Nov 21, 2008 17:01:25 GMT -5
Well, since I'm apparently not allowed to get another center this year and will have to deal with 57 OV 2nd line center.... Everything I signed in FA is on the block. Pot to kettle, come in kettle!
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Post by MontyBurns on Nov 21, 2008 17:05:41 GMT -5
Sakic, Hecht, Belanger, Kozlov, Sykora, Gionta, Jovo, Zubov, Streit, Martinek, Jones, Numminen, Huet etc..... In return I'm looking for young quality unrated prospects. Wait, actually those guys would have no value because they have not proven anything yet. Since they have never played an NHL game I guess we don't know if they're ever really going to be any good. Sure we could look at their junior career or current stats, but that doesn't matter either since there are just as many busts as breakthroughs. Ok so make sure they were high draft picks, wait that won't work either, the bust thing again. Ok, so in return I would like young quality rated guys. Wait, I don't think that will work either. Again, who knows what they're really going to do with their future in the NHL. Sure they are rated because they've gotten som ice time, but that doesn't mean anything either. If you offer me a guy who's is "supposed" to be good I don't think I can take him either because I have no proof he will be good. Ok so offer me young guys who are doing good in their first seasons, wait you can't do that either because we don't know if they'll sustain their level of play or not, regardless of how they are performing, and even in contrast to "can't miss" players. Ok, so I guess offer me guys who are already established and have great ratings. But didn't I want young prospects? Yeah I did, but I'm now convinced that unless actually proven and established, any other player isn't worth much because we just don't know, and ratings and pre-NHL stats mean nothing, as we've seen 100x in the past. But wait, you don't want to give up your already established well rated players in return for other well rated players because it wouldn't really make your team any stronger trading a 75 for a 75, good point! What a dilema! your kidding right? i think taht every decent GM in existence would agree that a player's value would be based on more than one critera. One of those is how many points they have this year. Age is another good one (a 75 ov player who is 20 is better than a 75 ov player who is 40). Past Nhl performance is another, becuase if someone out performs their past performance a red flag is drawn and you look at their breakout as possibly a fluke. Same goes with pedigree. The higher the draft pick the higher the expectations, aka the higher we expect their future value to be . Also versteeg's last update on HF was in august, so its not like when the last evaluation of him was before he started performing in junior or AHL. Long story short stop whining. When half the lauge decides your trade wasnt good even after you defend it in 30 posts its over. On two other notes, why has kings not posted? and maybe im crazy, but doesnt alfie have a 2 year contract? so its 2 years of alfie. And im confident that the resign will stay, but be much more limited... or at least thats what i hope
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Post by Hawks on Nov 21, 2008 17:06:54 GMT -5
Hahaha, what does that have to do with your trade exactly?
Come on man, Pelley for Sakic, its a steal!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 17:19:06 GMT -5
September 19, 2004
I traded Brian Campbell, some guy no one had heard of and was on no one's radar to Chicago for Adam Graves and Sylvain Lefebvre.
Looks like a horrible deal today, but it helped me make it to the second round. Two old rated dudes for some young dude who may or may not become something.
That's part of the fun of trades. Will they pan out or not? Some people stock up on the no names and unassigneds and see how it pans out. Some people like me. It's fun.
I voted yes for the trade.
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Post by AvsGM on Nov 21, 2008 17:21:10 GMT -5
Long story short stop whining. When half the lauge decides your trade wasnt good even after you defend it in 30 posts its over. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot I didn't have the right to "defend" my deal or the fuckin' bullshit personal insinuations that there is something "sketchy" going on. Which, is a direct quote! Ok new rule I guess, when a trade is getting rejected and people are attacking your personal character, you are not allowed to respond anymore because Monty feels it's "whining". And as much as I'm having to defend this trade and myself, I have never seen you protest a trade so intensely, especially with some of the deals that have been passed. I guess you really wanted Alfie bad huh?
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Post by Philly on Nov 21, 2008 17:35:10 GMT -5
We need to all chill a bit- it's gettin out of hand- we are all friends here and this should be no more than a friendly disagreement.
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