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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 25, 2013 18:07:53 GMT -5
I refrained from making any comments until it passed and even then didn't think it was needed, but sorry "worse trade we've ever had go through"? Assuming Brodziak and Winnik are a wash, Sharp, an NHL ready prospect (would be on the team if it wasn't for the Nino trade), and a 2nd rounder (another potential 7.5C prospect) for Pavelski, is the worse trade ever? Get off your high horse.
Not gonna sit here and deny that I like the deal for me, the cap implications are important to me. But LA has cap space, and it's not like I'm dumping 8 mil on him without taking anything back. Pavelski is under contract for 5 years, Sharp for 3. I'm not worried about Sharp in real life, he will finish with 60+ points barring injury and get 70-72OV next year. So for an extra 2 years of Pavelski I'm giving him Zucker and a 2nd, which is not reject worthy IMO. Handful of people thought different and that's fine, but majority of the league didn't so let's move on.
*edit: Parenteau (72OV) for Hartnell (65OV, 5.4M, UFA in 3 years) and a 5th. Passed with flying colors. Enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 18:52:52 GMT -5
I'm going to eat a donair tonight probably. I lot of you would think that's great. A lot of you would think it's a mistake. I value your opinion, but it's my body, it's not going anywhere and I'll do with it what I please.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 25, 2013 19:14:59 GMT -5
So for an extra 2 years of Pavelski I'm giving him Zucker and a 2nd, which is not reject worthy IMO. Handful of people thought different and that's fine, but majority of the league didn't so let's move on. So even if you break it down like that, and somehow Sharp and Pavelski are a wash over the next 3 years, two years for a 70+ OV winger for an average prospect and what will likely be a late 2nd? That is still a brutal deal. Then if you consider Sharp vs. Pavelski... a wash over the next 3 years? Come on... Pavelski is half the price! Not only that, but comparing Sharps 32, 33 and 34 years to Pavelski's 29th, 30, and 31st years comes with some obvious problems. If the pick was a 1st, I would have passed the trade, and still thought it was not a great deal for LA. You obviously like the trade a lot from your perspective, which says a lot on its own. You are a good GM Eug and you know you got a great deal, don't try to sugar coat a turd.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 25, 2013 20:39:56 GMT -5
You obviously like the trade a lot from your perspective, which says a lot on its own. You are a good GM Eug and you know you got a great deal, don't try to sugar coat a turd. Thanks Jake, I'm alright but never won GM of the year so can't be that good lol. Look, there are lots of deals I don't like for some teams, but still pass. I didn't like Stewart for 1st, but passed it. Didn't like Okposo for a 2nd but passed that as well. I respect your opinion and mentioned before that clearly I like this deal for me. What I don't agree with is your assessment of the guys I'm giving up. It's like "I don't like this deal for LA so automatically Sharp is shit, Zucker is a bust, the 2nd will be at the end of the round". Zucker scored a game winning OT goal in the NHL playoffs, he should be up, Minnesota is fucked. If he pans out into a 68-70OV top 6 winger then you still say this trade is that bad? Cmon man...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 10:29:36 GMT -5
Not the worst deal I've seen by a long stretch, but I hate having to defend myself after rejecting a deal, and I hate even more when people start taking it personally (and those people are often not even involved in the trade). This is where I disagree because I hate when people reject a deal and don't give a reason. It doesn't have to be a long 5 paragraph breakdown but I think if people are voting no they should say why so people can understand what the issues are with the deal. This deal isn't close to the worst deal ever passed as it is a deal that should have passed easily. Honestly for me I couldn't figure out which side people were voting against until I came to this thread and saw the dramatics.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Oct 26, 2013 10:48:47 GMT -5
The fact that we can look at LA-TO deal from a couple of different perspectives signifies it's not so lopsided. We are all passionate here. We all have strong opinions. As long as we don't get into insulting GMs' integrity, the voting process does what it should. Maintain respect. Once a deal is done, let it be. The thing is if we went back and looked at many of the controversial deals that passed in this league, I'm sure some of them have swung in the other GM's favour. C'est la vie. Darren: how was that ill-advised donair? WOuld you still make that transaction?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 10:54:50 GMT -5
The fact that we can look at LA-TO deal from a couple of different perspectives signifies it's not so lopsided. We are all passionate here. We all have strong opinions. As long as we don't get into insulting GMs' integrity, the voting process does what it should. Maintain respect. Once a deal is done, let it be. The thing is if we went back and looked at many of the controversial deals that passed in this league, I'm sure some of them have swung in the other GM's favour. C'est la vie. Darren: how was that ill-advised donair? WOuld you still make that transaction? Completely agree
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 13:06:17 GMT -5
We got Pizza 73 instead. It was meaty. I would do it again. No regrets
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Post by Sharky on Oct 26, 2013 15:03:58 GMT -5
Not the worst deal I've seen by a long stretch, but I hate having to defend myself after rejecting a deal, and I hate even more when people start taking it personally (and those people are often not even involved in the trade). This is where I disagree because I hate when people reject a deal and don't give a reason. It doesn't have to be a long 5 paragraph breakdown but I think if people are voting no they should say why so people can understand what the issues are with the deal. This deal isn't close to the worst deal ever passed as it is a deal that should have passed easily. Honestly for me I couldn't figure out which side people were voting against until I came to this thread and saw the dramatics. I gave a reason, was actually one of the few that did so.
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Post by Philly on Oct 29, 2013 7:49:06 GMT -5
I like the Nash - SJ deal. Suter a nice Addition to the Sharks for this season and next at the very least.
With Myers and a 1st, in that deal, Preds future very bright.
The prospects kinda a push, down the road I like Sorensen best.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 29, 2013 8:59:42 GMT -5
Solid deal for both, good value for Suter. Shame about Myers. After i drafted him, i thought he would be untouchable for years. Now he's getting traded again. So much potential, Buffalo may have cut it down with that dumbass contract
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Post by Sharky on Oct 29, 2013 14:33:44 GMT -5
I didn't like trading Myers when his value was so low, but I have needed an offensive defensemen for years, so I bit the bullet. I really do believe Myers can still be a top pairing D in this league. He is only 23 and Buffalo is a team that should get better (something like 15 draft picks in the top 2 rounds from 2013-15!).
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Post by Sharky on Nov 22, 2013 3:12:53 GMT -5
Really didn't like the Anaheim-Vancouver trade that just passed. Brassard seems like an inconsistent 40-50 point player to me, while Stastny is a consistent 50-60 point guy currently on pace for 70 points in the NHL. I think the difference there is a lot bigger than Dalpe, who is verging on "bust" territory at the age of 24 and was recently traded for peanuts form the Canes, and a 2nd two years away... especially when Vancouver got a 2014 3rd going back to them. Basically comes down to Stastny for Brassard to me... not a fan at all.
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Post by Philly on Nov 22, 2013 6:52:51 GMT -5
Really didn't like the Anaheim-Vancouver trade that just passed. Brassard seems like an inconsistent 40-50 point player to me, while Stastny is a consistent 50-60 point guy currently on pace for 70 points in the NHL. I think the difference there is a lot bigger than Dalpe, who is verging on "bust" territory at the age of 24 and was recently traded for peanuts form the Canes, and a 2nd two years away... especially when Vancouver got a 2014 3rd going back to them. Basically comes down to Stastny for Brassard to me... not a fan at all. So your saying that you would pass a trade for Dalpe and a 2nd 015 for a 3rd in 014 in return. No reason imo to reject the Anh - Van trade.
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Post by LeafsGM on Nov 22, 2013 9:31:11 GMT -5
We honestly can't nitpick every single deal that's not a clear 50/50. I would also prefer the Stastny side, but it doesn't mean what Ducks is getting is worthless and the deal should be rejected. Brassard is still fairly young and could turn it around.
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