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Jul 22, 2014 14:51:45 GMT -5
Post by AvsGM on Jul 22, 2014 14:51:45 GMT -5
I will be doing some updating later on tonight and tomorrow, so if you see that any pages aren't there then please be patient as they will be back soon.
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Jul 23, 2014 3:31:08 GMT -5
Post by AvsGM on Jul 23, 2014 3:31:08 GMT -5
I just wanted to update you guys that I got a ton of stuff done last night. I have a little more to do today but will definitely be uploading new pages sometime early tonight.
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Jul 23, 2014 9:57:07 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on Jul 23, 2014 9:57:07 GMT -5
Please tell me the "Line of Cups" has been updated, lol.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:43:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 10:43:23 GMT -5
LoL
Nice job Jon!
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Jul 23, 2014 12:23:57 GMT -5
Post by AvsGM on Jul 23, 2014 12:23:57 GMT -5
Please tell me the "Line of Cups" has been updated, lol. Eventually, not really at the top of the list at the moment. I won't be back around until later on today and will update the majority of the rest of the website when I return, however here are the updated rosters as I know that's what everyone is looking for..... www.jghl.net/JGHL1415-ProTeamRoster.html
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Jul 23, 2014 14:49:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 14:49:35 GMT -5
Ok i know we do an avg of years for some stats, but how is Ryan Miller 85 OV with a 25-30-4 2.64 gaa and .918 sv% much better than MA Fleury (83 ov)who posted 39-18-5 2.37 gaa and .915 sv% and Carey Price (85 ov)who is right there with 34-20-5 a 2.32 gaa and .927 sv%....Kari Lehtonen (86 OV) posted 33-20-10 with a 2.41 gaa and .919 sv%......Seems very unfair and i know OV doesn't tell the whole story, but they should not be higher. Ryan Miller 85 OV : 25-30-4 2.64 .918 Carey Price 85 OV: 34-20-5 2.32 .927 Kari Lehtonen 86 OV: 33-20-10 2.41 .919 MA Fleury 83 OV: 39-18-5 2.37 .915 I think the guy who made the goalie # hates Fleury
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Jul 23, 2014 15:27:18 GMT -5
Post by LeafsGM on Jul 23, 2014 15:27:18 GMT -5
Ok i know we do an avg of years for some stats, but how is Ryan Miller 85 OV with a 25-30-4 2.64 gaa and .918 sv% much better than MA Fleury (83 ov)who posted 39-18-5 2.37 gaa and .915 sv% and Carey Price (85 ov)who is right there with 34-20-5 a 2.32 gaa and .927 sv%....Kari Lehtonen (86 OV) posted 33-20-10 with a 2.41 gaa and .919 sv%......Seems very unfair and i know OV doesn't tell the whole story, but they should not be higher. Ryan Miller 85 OV : 25-30-4 2.64 .918 Carey Price 85 OV: 34-20-5 2.32 .927 Kari Lehtonen 86 OV: 33-20-10 2.41 .919 MA Fleury 83 OV: 39-18-5 2.37 .915 I think the guy who made the goalie # hates Fleury Not that I'm complaining, but was just as shocked as you! I believe it has something to do with their advanced stats. Wins play little-no factor in ratings from what I understand, so you can throw out the wins comparison. That explains Vokoun having top 10 ratings for all those years. In terms of advanced stats, I know Miller faced a shit ton of shots while still with the Sabres, and still managed to keep decent numbers. Again, I'm not a corsi/fenwick guy, but if you dug deeper than GAA and SV%, i think it would explain it.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:39:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 15:39:30 GMT -5
That's bs that wins don't matter...you don't win if you don't have a good goalie. You can win games if you have an avg goalie but the gaa and sv% and shutouts reflect that. So you're telling me that if i'm a good goalie and i play on a shitty team, yet face 100 shots a night, i should be the best goalie in the league? I strongly disagree with that.....and based on that argument, Lehtonen is 86 ov and was injured quite often, yet he has .004 differential in gaa with Fleury and .004 in sv%, that justifies a +3 OV difference?
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Jul 23, 2014 16:25:23 GMT -5
Post by LeafsGM on Jul 23, 2014 16:25:23 GMT -5
That's bs that wins don't matter...you don't win if you don't have a good goalie. You can win games if you have an avg goalie but the gaa and sv% and shutouts reflect that. So you're telling me that if i'm a good goalie and i play on a shitty team, yet face 100 shots a night, i should be the best goalie in the league? I strongly disagree with that.....and based on that argument, Lehtonen is 86 ov and was injured quite often, yet he has .004 differential in gaa with Fleury and .004 in sv%, that justifies a +3 OV difference? I get where you're coming from but all that can be said is the goalie ratings are not under our control since we use LCHV ratings every year. So we can discuss the numbers to death but it's not going to change anything. It may look like some players don't get respect when it comes to ratings but there's probably a legit reason for it. Don't take it the wrong way but Fleury has been known as the most overrated starter in the NHL for quite a while now. Considering he plays on a top 3 team and still puts up average numbers probably plays a part. Also, if I'm a starter on the worst team in the NHL and finish with a 1-55-5 record and put up a .910+ SV% and under 2.7 GAA then i should receive a 85 or above rating. Meaning im playing on a futile team that probably doesn't belong in the NHL and im still keeping them in every game ala Miller on the Sabres.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -5
Look at the numbers. Can you justify why Lehtonen is 3 OV better than Fleury?
I could understand if he put up Fuhr #s with high wins and crap gaa and sv% but thats not the case.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:51:58 GMT -5
Post by gmcanucks on Jul 23, 2014 16:51:58 GMT -5
I'm with Rob on this one. I think the goalie ratings are all little suspect. Not knowing their methodology it's hard to understand them, but it looks like he might be using averaging over a couple of years, which is kind of contrary to our other ratings. We'll have to get Jake on the goalie ratings next year.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:58:20 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on Jul 23, 2014 16:58:20 GMT -5
Just like to note that Hedberg retired and I need him removed from my roster.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:58:37 GMT -5
Post by LeafsGM on Jul 23, 2014 16:58:37 GMT -5
Agreed that just from comparing GAA and SV% it doesn't make sense but what about all the other cats like rebounds, passing, reaction time, hand speed, puck handling, penalty shots, style control. There are a lot more stats that play a factor in these ratings than just GAA and SV%. Again i don't want to pretend like im a stat expert but i trust the guys that put these ratings out every year. A lot of leagues use them for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 17:03:51 GMT -5
Wins should count for next to zero. We've figured this out in baseball. Not a pitcher or goalie's fault he gives up one or two and his team doesn't score. Goalie should be evaluated on how many pucks he stops, not how many his team scores when he's in net. So if two goalies each play ten games and each give up two goals each game, one goalie is better if his team scores three instead of one? There is no such thing as playing to the score as a goalie or just letting in enough goals to win.
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Jul 23, 2014 17:04:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 17:04:30 GMT -5
Well, just like how we adjusted the F and D stats, we should do it with the goalies to keep it consistent all around. I honestly feel Fleury got shafted....
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