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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 18:38:33 GMT -5
I don't think this is the sole reason but as Ray kind of alludes to is with McEichel being available this is an odd season with so many teams outright awful and therefore so many teams stacked. In the East you know the 8 teams that will be in already. I guess maybe the seeding could be exciting but really it is the play-offs that is going to matter so this is just going through the motions waiting for that.
I think there obviously could be more talk and I am guilty of it myself. I have stopped posting because of my issues with the sim but I could still comment on other things and will try to do so.
I certainly dont think it is shutdown time but you see line submissions, all-star votes etc. that may show you more than we can see.
I love the league and know there are dedicated GMs here so I support any measures you think necessary to weed out GMs doing the bare minimum or less. If you want ideas, support or just to bounce ideas of feel free to send a PM and I will gladly give you a second opinion on any of the issues you are considering/dealing with.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 5, 2015 0:25:04 GMT -5
I think it has a lot to do with the extremes we are seeing in the league this year. Not much of a playoff race in either conference. Probably only 3 teams with a real chance at the cup , while 8 teams are under 40 points. Not sure what next year will look like, but I hope more teams get competitive.
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Post by gmcanucks on Feb 5, 2015 6:19:53 GMT -5
I think Jake and others have hit it on the head. The competitive balance is a little off this year. Most years there are a couple of teams in full rebuild mode. This year, maybe because of McDavid/Eichel there are 8-10. So those clubs, pointing to the draft, are less engaged on a day-to-day basis.
The contending teams are also, generally speaking, right up against the cap, which cuts down activity as well. I'm sure most of the playoff teams are highly active behind the scenes. Just not much they can do right now, at least until trade deadline.
Personally, I spend more hours on this league than ever before, it just doesn't show on the message board.
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Post by Hawks on Feb 5, 2015 11:30:55 GMT -5
Just not a whole lot to talk about. I'm personally not competitive this year, I'm just trying to make the playoffs so my pick that I traded isn't super valuable, but otherwise I'm waiting on next season to see how my ratings stack up.
I've mentioned before that without some kinda random element (like injuries) making an impact, the season is basically auto-pilot with the best teams. There should be little doubt that one of the top 7 teams is going to win it all this season, likely Florida, there isn't much mystery behind it and that takes out some of the spectacle. The conference finals should be interesting but the semi-and-quarter finals are more or less set as to the winner (since real upsets simply do not happen).
I'm likely going to be between 6-8 in the West, so I'll face any of the top 3 teams, and I will lose, I know I will lose, there is literally zero chance I win based on 11 years of precedent, so without some form of random game changing element, there isn't much reason to give my team a lot of attention right now, and I'm sure others probably feel the same way to a degree.
Next season with my defensive core and fairly strong lineup already in place, I'll be much more invested myself, but this season is a bit of wash for me personally.
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Post by Philly on Feb 5, 2015 12:02:24 GMT -5
Funny you mentioned injuries, Gavin, still not much of a factor. I was thinkin that same thing the other day. Can we crank it up some next season? On the other hand though, I see alot of tired players that never get changed until they are injured from exhaustion, at which time a few are notorious for Auto Lines.
For the most part if your a GM that never logs in, you won't much hear from anyone, and why would anyone want to waste there time offering you a trade or even conversation if they have to hunt you down. I have had to hunt guys down, but I'm not going to bother anymore.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 5, 2015 12:37:43 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be adversed to starting over. If we did, I think we should just do it suddenly rather than planning one or two seasons out, just to spare the rebuilding teams from a pointless season. I think it would make things more interesting for the next ten years
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Post by Philly on Feb 5, 2015 12:47:05 GMT -5
If you mean re-draft etc.. I think too many guys have worked too hard to throw away all that work. Let's not forget that the majority of the league does what they are supposed to. I'm not given up my team due to a few who are too busy to participate much. I'd rather replace them then my team.
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Post by Hawks on Feb 5, 2015 13:02:44 GMT -5
I like my team for next year a lot, but I wouldn't be totally against a full league re-draft for next year. To have a shot at players I currently feel I'll never have a remote chance of getting on my team certainly interests me and while I like the players I have in a lot of ways, I'm sure I'll like the new guys too.
I don't however think it really matters in the long run, since the best team on paper wins 90% of the time. What we really need is more injuries so simply trading for the top players doesn't automatically put you in a cup winning position, there needs to be more GMing to our GM league sim and when you never have an injury and are never required to adjust your lineup or make an emergency trade….you remove a lot of the GMing from the process.
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Post by Philly on Feb 5, 2015 14:08:31 GMT -5
I think Jake and others have hit it on the head. The competitive balance is a little off this year. Most years there are a couple of teams in full rebuild mode. This year, maybe because of McDavid/Eichel there are 8-10. So those clubs, pointing to the draft, are less engaged on a day-to-day basis. The contending teams are also, generally speaking, right up against the cap, which cuts down activity as well. I'm sure most of the playoff teams are highly active behind the scenes. Just not much they can do right now, at least until trade deadline. Personally, I spend more hours on this league than ever before, it just doesn't show on the message board. Well said, Joe. We just need some X factors to make it harder for things to be so predictable. Also our trade system is failing imo.. Now a days everything gets passed, so why vote at all. There are numerous trades that are so insane, they shouldn't even be posted let alone pass. LOL
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Post by Philly on Feb 5, 2015 14:17:16 GMT -5
I don't however think it really matters in the long run, since the best team on paper wins 90% of the time. What we really need is more injuries so simply trading for the top players doesn't automatically put you in a cup winning position, there needs to be more GMing to our GM league sim and when you never have an injury and are never required to adjust your lineup or make an emergency trade….you remove a lot of the GMing from the process. I agree, and think it's our biggest problem. Being complacent and not having to think much.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 5, 2015 14:48:48 GMT -5
I also think there have been plenty of trades this season that shouldn't have passed, and that has really disrupted the competitive balance, but I have given up on that. Every time I bring up a bad trade in the opinions thread, or that time a while ago when I was trying ti encourage people to reject if they wouldn't make the deal, I get a lot of flack for it.
Coming from a GM that probably has two players that would go among the first picks, I would still be fine with starting over.
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Post by AvsGM on Feb 5, 2015 16:11:05 GMT -5
Personally, where my team is at I would absolutely hate to start over. I'm just trying to think how to infuse activity and interest back in the league. When your team gets to a certain point (that I think a lot of teams are currently at) there really isn't much to do other than ride it out until your team (hopefully) gets to where you want to go. Even if we did start over I think we'd be back in the same exact spot within 3 years after the dust settles.
The fact that we have a 10+ year history is something I love and to throw that all away I think would be a shame, but obviously I'd like to do what's best for the league to keep it active for another 10+.
Teams that are stocked with young talent that have yet to meet their full potential could end up being kicked down a few levels and I don't think that's a good thing to keep GMs. If my current team is on the cusp and after the new draft I end up several steps back from where I was at, I think that would have the adverse effect we're looking for. I don't want to feel, nor do I want anyone else to feel that all the work they put in for the last however many years was for nothing.
I don't know, I guess I just threw that out there to see how everyone else felt about it. Without bringing in 5-7 new GMs (which I always hate doing) I'm just trying to think how to get the league and activity back to where it once was. As with everything, over time whether it be a job, girlfriend or whatever, people eventually get complacent and I know that can't be avoided. We've had stacked teams before but I feel this season more than ever has just been extremely slow with activity and participation.
Yes (for the most part) people send in lines and send in votes for stuff but I really feel like the majority are just going through the motions because they've already invested so much time in the league, not because it's something they enjoy as much as they once did.
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Post by Hawks on Feb 5, 2015 16:24:58 GMT -5
Its not like you couldn't likely draft up another similar roster Jon, or even a better roster. The more I think about a reboot, I more I don't think I'd mind. Sure I don't wanna lose my good young players, but there are a lot of those in the NHL to pick from, I'll find more.
We could do a reboot draft, see where we stand after thats done….and vote to keep original rosters or continue with the rebooted rosters. That way people know exactly what they're voting for and should eliminated most of the sour grapes that could happen.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 5, 2015 18:07:06 GMT -5
There are some parts about it I'd hate. For example, I sure as hell know I wouldn't end up with Stamkos and Tavares after it. At the same time, I don't really see it as throwing away the last ten years, just as another chapter in the leagues long history! Then again, I do see Jon's point that things may just be exactly the same in a few years. There are variations we could consider, like protecting players (at the expense of a pick in the draft), keeping prospects, expansion draft etc... (more GMs means more activity!).
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Post by Philly on Feb 5, 2015 18:16:50 GMT -5
I think I like the idea of expansion.
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