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Post by Sharky on Sept 13, 2015 17:28:25 GMT -5
I really don't understand this... the purpose of voting is to get a large sample of opinions on a trade. Of course GMs vote in different directions occasionally (that is kind of the point). If most people's opinion is that the trade is a bad one, then it should be rejected. For the life of me I do not understand the GMs that say it is "ridiculous" when someone disagrees with them or how this simple system causes stress. The problem isn't with the voting system, the problem is with GMs taking this personally and failing to respect others opinions.
I rejected this trade! Doesn't mean I am an idiot. It is just my opinion that it is a bad deal for the Isles.
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Post by Philly on Sept 13, 2015 17:45:59 GMT -5
I really don't understand this... the purpose of voting is to get a large sample of opinions on a trade. Of course GMs vote in different directions occasionally (that is kind of the point). If most people's opinion is that the trade is a bad one, then it should be rejected. For the life of me I do not understand the GMs that say it is "ridiculous" when someone disagrees with them or how this simple system causes stress. The problem isn't with the voting system, the problem is with GMs taking this personally and failing to respect others opinions. I rejected this trade! Doesn't mean I am an idiot. It is just my opinion that it is a bad deal for the Isles. Pretty good Jake. Any ideas how to stop the anger it seems to cause, when some take it as a personal attack. The weirdest thing I saw here was neither GM involved bitched at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 17:48:38 GMT -5
Why exactly is there an assumption that new guys need hand holding to make deals and that staff are somehow better equipped to predict the futures of NHL players and prospects? Are there any NHL GMs in here?
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 13, 2015 17:51:21 GMT -5
Why exactly is there an assumption that new guys need hand holding to make deals and that staff are somehow better equipped to predict the futures of NHL players and prospects? Are there any NHL GMs in here? Because we don't want someone coming in here, making a ton of trades, ruining the team and then leaving. It's happened before and makes it really hard to get a new GM after that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 18:17:02 GMT -5
Ok, Jon, I can understand that concern.
What i don't understand, is the need to pick apart a trade publicly on the boards whether you voted pass or decline and/or demand that a GM make an adjustment before you'll pass it. As if to suggest that they know better what's best for either team or the values of the players involved or future draft picks. Just your opinion? Fine, then send the GM a message telling why you declined it, or better yet, vote Decline and go upon your way and worry about your own squad.
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 13, 2015 18:23:14 GMT -5
Ok, Jon, I can understand that concern. What i don't understand, is the need to pick apart a trade publicly on the boards whether you voted pass or decline and/or demand that a GM make an adjustment before you'll pass it. As if to suggest that they know better what's best for either team or the values of the players involved or future draft picks. Just your opinion? Fine, then send the GM a message telling why you declined it, or better yet, vote Decline and go upon your way and worry about your own squad. I one respect I agree, in the other I think it's good to have friendly discussions and analysis. Also some GMs have said that they prefer to know "why" when someone rejects a trade, rather than sit in anonymity with their vote. Obviously as we can see that sometimes it gets out of hand, but it's definitely on the rare side it gets this heated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 23:16:34 GMT -5
its all good everyone! in a few days you will read the last few pages and laugh. this is the reason why the jghl is the best. the passion everyone brings. if no one had anything to say it would be a boring league and we would just do trade simulations all day.
i agree with the trade vote process. its not fun for a new gm to come in on a team that has nothing going for it because the previous gm traded away everything for nothing. i know we all love hockey, or we wouldn't be in the league. if some of us dont agree with the votes. Jon and Gavin should form a committee of 5 GM's or so that have tenure in the league that are responsible for trade votes.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 14, 2015 0:14:06 GMT -5
Why exactly is there an assumption that new guys need hand holding to make deals and that staff are somehow better equipped to predict the futures of NHL players and prospects? Are there any NHL GMs in here? Because its easily possible to destroy an entire franchise in 3 or less trades. Frankly, many of us have too much invested in our teams to want that to happen...again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 6:57:35 GMT -5
Why exactly are we voting on the return of the picks? Because Gavin demanded it? Good grief what next...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 7:46:13 GMT -5
And Scot, fuck you buddy, I'm interested in the health of this league and every team involved within it, if you have a problem with that, I'm sure a replacement for you can be found. Well Gavin, I guess you'll get your way. I'm done, but not without a parting shot. As a new owner, I can say that you are doing more harm welcoming new GMs than anything else going on around here. Bullying owners to the point that they bend their deals to make you happy is the last straw for me. Perhaps I'm intimidated by the long list of JGHL championships you have, or maybe it's your superior knowledge of the NHL and its players, I'm not really sure. One thing that is clear, you're a 5-star ahole. For the rest of the league, I thank you for your courtesy in welcoming a new owner and the deals we've made along the way. Take good care and good luck in 2016.
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Post by RangersRon on Sept 14, 2015 8:11:52 GMT -5
Sorry to hear! To think this trade would blow up like this. Seem quite ridiculous but I guess it is what it is. Oh well so we move forward. This is for fun guys, no money involved, just pure fun with knowledgable guys but not all who know for sure what will happen. I would hope you would reconsider and let's move forward but if that is your choice. It was nice meeting you on here even if it was just brief!
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Post by Hawks on Sept 14, 2015 9:18:41 GMT -5
Why exactly are we voting on the return of the picks? Because Gavin demanded it? Good grief what next... No, they actually re-worked the deal and didn't get it in on time, so I assume this trade reflects how they decided to adjust it.
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Post by MontyBurns on Sept 14, 2015 10:20:28 GMT -5
Why exactly are we voting on the return of the picks? Because Gavin demanded it? Good grief what next... No, they actually re-worked the deal and didn't get it in on time, so I assume this trade reflects how they decided to adjust it. Yes, the offer was made an accepted, but because it was sunday we didnt post it in time.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 14, 2015 13:16:11 GMT -5
And Scot, fuck you buddy, I'm interested in the health of this league and every team involved within it, if you have a problem with that, I'm sure a replacement for you can be found. Well Gavin, I guess you'll get your way. I'm done, but not without a parting shot. As a new owner, I can say that you are doing more harm welcoming new GMs than anything else going on around here. Bullying owners to the point that they bend their deals to make you happy is the last straw for me. Perhaps I'm intimidated by the long list of JGHL championships you have, or maybe it's your superior knowledge of the NHL and its players, I'm not really sure. One thing that is clear, you're a 5-star ahole. For the rest of the league, I thank you for your courtesy in welcoming a new owner and the deals we've made along the way. Take good care and good luck in 2016. Scot, if I read this correctly as your resignation, then you actually just proved to everyone why we have reservations with new guys. I must admit, some of your posts directed at Gavin (one of the founders of our league) were condescending, backhanded, and quite simply rude. He was focused on the deal that was clearly not perfect if half the league voted to reject it. Yes he came at you hard in the above post, but let's not act like it was unfounded. With you walking away after literally dismantling a team that could have easily made the playoffs this season with names like Doughty, Weber, Perry, etc, shows EXACTLY what we all try to avoid and vote extra carefully to prevent. Thank you for being a show and tell. Joe, maybe next time you can find us someone who doesn't get so easily jaded. There is nothing wrong with this adjustment to a major deal. A lot of us felt the 1st round pick was extra and should not have been included. They both agreed to make the adjustment, which shows good faith on both GMs side. Jeremy has been cool throughout this and should be commended on keeping his cool and going with the flow. You sir on the other hand, are choosing to leave because SOMEONE ELSE's trade was heavily discussed? Bon voyage.
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 14, 2015 15:17:57 GMT -5
This is exactly why there should be some sort of probationary period for new GMs. Now granted I think there might have only been one (maybe two) Detroit trade that really raised any issue (the Pulock deal) but the end result is still the same...new GM decimates team, gets rubbed the wrong way and decideds to take their ball and go home. A GM shaping their team is one thing, but now we're stuck with a team that has absolutely nothing to offer on the current roster. Who in their right mind would be excited about taking over a team that might be decent 4-5 years from now? That sounds like fun Being a free leaugue unfortunately there is nothing to bind anyone to their team, no investment other than the time they decide to put in. I understand that is one of the risks with a league like this but it really sucks, especially considering all the time, effort and money you put in for others just so they can have some enjoyment. Trust me, I don't care about the money at all that's not the issue, but it's the reciprocation of respect for my time and efforts that is all I ask for. I'm kinda pretty pissed right now about the whole thing from several angles because it definitely didn't need to get this far. I don't feel like typing much more, but I'm sure people were waiting for some kind of response from me. Don't think there's really much to say other than I'm sure Jeremy is scratching his head thinking wtf did I get myself into!?!
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