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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 15:25:21 GMT -5
Any time I join a new league, it takes a while for me to figure out how players and picks are valued. 100 times out of 100, I try to pick the brains of the people who brought me in. Is this too much, is this not enough, am I close? I don't want to get laughed out of the league because I don't get it. Ask Gary how many times I've hugged him on deals. Autocorrect reveals my true feelings, but I mean bugged. I'm not an idiot, but each league is different. We aren't special. We aren't better than someone who is new because they haven't been around as long as some have(no one said that, so don't get excited). We welcome new guys with open arms, but it feels like we don't give them a chance to figure it out. We're so scared of having to replace them after they've ruined a team, that we don't help them. It's like telling your kid they can have a bike, but they have to get one of those dumb things that hooks up to my bike and it's kind of like you're riding your own bike but I'm in total control. You'll never fall, but you'll never learn, and by the time we decide you're ready, you're fed up and done. We all learned on the fly. I've brought in guys who have left. And the reason is pretty much this kind of bullshit. They get fed up. This isn't for money, I have zero problem with new guys asking me about trades or different things, but I'm in no position to say who can and can't be traded. I guarantee you I know the least about hockey out of any of you right now. I hate trade voting. This is the only league where I have it out of maybe 12 different leagues, and the only place where it's a constant issue. I've made no secret that I give every trade a standing yes vote. I trust the guys in the league. I trust your judgement when bringing on new guys. And frankly, I don't know half the guys in trades anyway. Yes, I know my guys. Yes I look up guys when trades are offered to me so I'm not a total moron. Everyone runs their team different. Everyone has an opinion. My opinion is I hate trade votes. Or is that a feeling? I don't know. It's time to go watch the Eagles.
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Post by Philly on Sept 14, 2015 15:35:16 GMT -5
Well Gavin, I guess you'll get your way. I'm done, but not without a parting shot. As a new owner, I can say that you are doing more harm welcoming new GMs than anything else going on around here. Bullying owners to the point that they bend their deals to make you happy is the last straw for me. Perhaps I'm intimidated by the long list of JGHL championships you have, or maybe it's your superior knowledge of the NHL and its players, I'm not really sure. One thing that is clear, you're a 5-star ahole. For the rest of the league, I thank you for your courtesy in welcoming a new owner and the deals we've made along the way. Take good care and good luck in 2016. Scot, if I read this correctly as your resignation, then you actually just proved to everyone why we have reservations with new guys. I must admit, some of your posts directed at Gavin (one of the founders of our league) were condescending, backhanded, and quite simply rude. He was focused on the deal that was clearly not perfect if half the league voted to reject it. Yes he came at you hard in the above post, but let's not act like it was unfounded. With you walking away after literally dismantling a team that could have easily made the playoffs this season with names like Doughty, Weber, Perry, etc, shows EXACTLY what we all try to avoid and vote extra carefully to prevent. Thank you for being a show and tell. Joe, maybe next time you can find us someone who doesn't get so easily jaded. There is nothing wrong with this adjustment to a major deal. A lot of us felt the 1st round pick was extra and should not have been included. They both agreed to make the adjustment, which shows good faith on both GMs side. Jeremy has been cool throughout this and should be commended on keeping his cool and going with the flow. You sir on the other hand, are choosing to leave because SOMEONE ELSE's trade was heavily discussed? Bon voyage. Extremly well said Eug, we don't need shit disturbers in the league and we been weeding them out now and then for years, as Darren pointed out. If you don't like this league then you should leave and not make it miserable for those who enjoy it. I haven't said much about this shit lately, but now i'm gettin pissed.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 14, 2015 15:49:43 GMT -5
Any time I join a new league, it takes a while for me to figure out how players and picks are valued. 100 times out of 100, I try to pick the brains of the people who brought me in. Is this too much, is this not enough, am I close? I don't want to get laughed out of the league because I don't get it. Ask Gary how many times I've hugged him on deals. Autocorrect reveals my true feelings, but I mean bugged. I'm not an idiot, but each league is different. We aren't special. We aren't better than someone who is new because they haven't been around as long as some have(no one said that, so don't get excited). We welcome new guys with open arms, but it feels like we don't give them a chance to figure it out. We're so scared of having to replace them after they've ruined a team, that we don't help them. It's like telling your kid they can have a bike, but they have to get one of those dumb things that hooks up to my bike and it's kind of like you're riding your own bike but I'm in total control. You'll never fall, but you'll never learn, and by the time we decide you're ready, you're fed up and done. We all learned on the fly. I've brought in guys who have left. And the reason is pretty much this kind of bullshit. They get fed up. This isn't for money, I have zero problem with new guys asking me about trades or different things, but I'm in no position to say who can and can't be traded. I guarantee you I know the least about hockey out of any of you right now. I hate trade voting. This is the only league where I have it out of maybe 12 different leagues, and the only place where it's a constant issue. I've made no secret that I give every trade a standing yes vote. I trust the guys in the league. I trust your judgement when bringing on new guys. And frankly, I don't know half the guys in trades anyway. Yes, I know my guys. Yes I look up guys when trades are offered to me so I'm not a total moron. Everyone runs their team different. Everyone has an opinion. My opinion is I hate trade votes. Or is that a feeling? I don't know. It's time to go watch the Eagles. Some people don't seem to want advice, they come in as know-it-alls and any attempt to teach them turns into a fight.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 14, 2015 15:53:30 GMT -5
Agreed Ray, I was pretty pissed off after reading his goodbye post. There is nothing more annoying than someone who comes in, causes a stir, decimates his team, calls people out (dude you just joined, how bout some manners), and then pretending like they're offended and leave without any effort to work it out. Congratulations Scot, you just destroyed a great franchise in 3 months. Never thought I'd say these words but I miss Adam. At least that guy knew how to dish it and take it gracefully
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Post by Sharky on Sept 14, 2015 16:44:49 GMT -5
If Scot got pissed off enough over this to leave, he would have left within the season no matter what happened with this deal. Not someone we want in the league anyway, although it is going to be a pain in the ass to find a GM for a team with no good players on it.
His worst move was likely trading away a very good chance at Austin Mathews. It makes it so much worse to find a GM for a bad team with no first round pick next year.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 14, 2015 16:47:44 GMT -5
When I was searching for a replacement for the Islanders, I got more than 1 reply, so I've gotten back in touch with someone I had to tell that the spot was not available anymore and he seems like he is still interested, so gimme a day or so and we should have a replacement.
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 14, 2015 16:59:45 GMT -5
Never thought I'd say these words but I miss Adam. You're not the only one! He was definitely the Roddy Piper of the leage lol. Man, the more I look at Detroit's team the angrier I get. There isn't a single player on that roster (minus a goalie) that I would want to trade for. And while there are some decent prospects there's nothing "special" that could be moved for an already established, young quality player. Not to mention not having their own 1st rounder next year with a team set to finish in the bottom 3. So basically the new GM will have zero room for any improvement other than waiting around for a few years to see what happens, not very enticing
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Post by Philly on Sept 14, 2015 17:04:41 GMT -5
I'm interested in Kassian
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 14, 2015 17:34:48 GMT -5
Oh man just thinking back to the old days when Adam and I had our multiple wars of words. If I was even half as sensitive, i not only would have quit but drove over to Adam's house and challenged him to a duel! You need to have a thick skin in an online community. Most of us learned this the hard way, others don't feel like bothering. Words are constantly flying out of our keyboards, sometimes with regret. If you don't have the EI to deal with it, maybe a beer league is your best option.
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Post by Philly on Sept 14, 2015 18:01:08 GMT -5
Oh man just thinking back to the old days when Adam and I had our multiple wars of words. If I was even half as sensitive, i not only would have quit but drove over to Adam's house and challenged him to a duel! You need to have a thick skin in an online community. Most of us learned this the hard way, others don't feel like bothering. Words are constantly flying out of our keyboards, sometimes with regret. If you don't have the EI to deal with it, maybe a beer league is your best option. LOL We had a lot of growing pains 12 years ago, everytime we got a new gm he wanted to change the rules, also hard for guys like me to interpret text as new pc users in those days - everyone always sounded angry. I guess that's what smile faces are for
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Post by Hawks on Sept 14, 2015 18:25:36 GMT -5
Oh man just thinking back to the old days when Adam and I had our multiple wars of words. If I was even half as sensitive, i not only would have quit but drove over to Adam's house and challenged him to a duel! You need to have a thick skin in an online community. Most of us learned this the hard way, others don't feel like bothering. Words are constantly flying out of our keyboards, sometimes with regret. If you don't have the EI to deal with it, maybe a beer league is your best option. LOL We had a lot of growing pains 12 years ago, everytime we got a new gm he wanted to change the rules, also hard for guys like me to interpret text as new pc users in those days - everyone always sounded angry. I guess that's what smile faces are for Its been proven that people generally put their own emotional state into the mind of the writer when reading text based communications. The same sentence can sound dozens of different ways depending on the mood of the reader.
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 14, 2015 18:32:45 GMT -5
Yup, guess i was much angrier back in the day. Especially when Adam called me an asshole for farming St Louis (pre OV farm restriction rule) for much of the reg season. Called me dirty and stuff. Back then i lost my shit, today id say hey, Ric Flair and Eddie Guerrero were always my guys.
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Post by Philly on Sept 14, 2015 18:45:00 GMT -5
Yup, guess i was much angrier back in the day. Especially when Adam called me an asshole for farming St Louis (pre OV farm restriction rule) for much of the reg season. Called me dirty and stuff. Back then i lost my shit, today id say hey, Ric Flair and Eddie Guerrero were always my guys. LOL Adam and I became friends a funny way during FA one year. Some of you guys know my FA tactics. Adam if you re-call was famous for hitting all the closing players to keep them around, so I started to tie up his money for 3 days everytime he hit mine, he bitched and pm'd me that i was an asshole lol, so I pm'd him back and said as long as you continue to hit my closing players I will continue to tie up your money for 3 days, I'm in no hurry. He liked my response enough to become a friend. True story
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Post by MontyBurns on Sept 14, 2015 19:50:35 GMT -5
LOL We had a lot of growing pains 12 years ago, everytime we got a new gm he wanted to change the rules, also hard for guys like me to interpret text as new pc users in those days - everyone always sounded angry. I guess that's what smile faces are for Its been proven that people generally put their own emotional state into the mind of the writer when reading text based communications. The same sentence can sound dozens of different ways depending on the mood of the reader. Haha but aren't you the one who told him to fuck off and quit?
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Post by Philly on Sept 14, 2015 20:05:23 GMT -5
I really don't understand this... the purpose of voting is to get a large sample of opinions on a trade. Of course GMs vote in different directions occasionally (that is kind of the point). If most people's opinion is that the trade is a bad one, then it should be rejected. For the life of me I do not understand the GMs that say it is "ridiculous" when someone disagrees with them or how this simple system causes stress. The problem isn't with the voting system, the problem is with GMs taking this personally and failing to respect others opinions. I rejected this trade! Doesn't mean I am an idiot. It is just my opinion that it is a bad deal for the Isles. This was one of my favorite posts. Gotta love Sharky
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