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Post by RangersRon on Jul 14, 2015 16:04:04 GMT -5
I think we had stopped commenting on trades during the voting process for awhile, seems we have gone back to that. I can remember how bad it use to be, when guys would encourage others to reject a trade they didn't like, that makes anyone furious. We had decided to talk about them after the vote is over, let's try to keep it that way, if possible. I agree that we need to allow comments because it does get people involved and remember the name on subject is - OPINION! and it is just that someone's opinion. not fact because no one knows what will happen with these players or picks. Have fun, don't attack... it's a game coach!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:05:30 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. I didn't think it was a terrible trade. The Islanders did get 5 young NHLers. Not prospects. Real honest to goodness NHLers. Turris and Vlasic are quality players. At the time, Stewart and Gardiner were considered players who could be impact guys and still are to a certain extent. Even Reimer had value at the time. 100% agree. Corey was taking his best asset and using it to fill a bunch of needs with good young NHL talent. What other things do you think were going on Ray? I tried to trade for Crosby but couldn't give him enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:15:28 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. It was the dumbest move I ever saw by a GM in this league. I also think there were other reasons behind it, but it's all water under the bridge at this point. Was it because another GM backed out of a done deal and he had to scramble to replace it? He'd added Carlson, Ladd, Voracek, Eriksson, Purcell, Craig Anderson. Don't forget the previous GM left that team with Crosby and not much else. The deal he had in place was better, for sure. If you want to get on a guy for a trade he made last summer, should have done it then until waiting until he's gone. Maybe you did, I don't know. I don't pay much attention to the rants on this thread.
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 16:17:15 GMT -5
I didn't think it was a terrible trade. The Islanders did get 5 young NHLers. Not prospects. Real honest to goodness NHLers. Turris and Vlasic are quality players. At the time, Stewart and Gardiner were considered players who could be impact guys and still are to a certain extent. Even Reimer had value at the time. 100% agree. Corey was taking his best asset and using it to fill a bunch of needs with good young NHL talent. What other things do you think were going on Ray? I tried to trade for Crosby but couldn't give him enough. Nothing that had anything to do with you Darren. Why would you think that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:19:17 GMT -5
Because you said you think there were other reasons behind it.
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 16:20:30 GMT -5
It was the dumbest move I ever saw by a GM in this league. I also think there were other reasons behind it, but it's all water under the bridge at this point. Was it because another GM backed out of a done deal and he had to scramble to replace it? He'd added Carlson, Ladd, Voracek, Eriksson, Purcell, Craig Anderson. Don't forget the previous GM left that team with Crosby and not much else. The deal he had in place was better, for sure. If you want to get on a guy for a trade he made last summer, should have done it then until waiting until he's gone. Maybe you did, I don't know. I don't pay much attention to the rants on this thread. I really resent your comments against me i know you don't like me and i don't give a fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:23:38 GMT -5
Resent all you want Ray. Tell me how you think I feel about you Ray. Turn it into a personal attack, but don't answer the question. You said there was something else behind the trade but it's all water under the bridge. I'm just curious as to what that was. Why talk shit about someone who can't defend himself? It's opinions on trades. What's your opinion Ray?
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 14, 2015 16:24:44 GMT -5
The Crosby trade was bad. Here's why - if you're trading arguably the best player (rated or otherwise) in the league for possibly the next 7 years, you better get THE ideal package. Whether or not you get it right away, or when you feel like moving the player, is irrelevant. You wait, and until you get it you stay put. The best player in the package was Kyle Turris, and with all due respect he's not even close to the talent level Crosby is on and probably never will be. Vlasic is a nice D but will never be confused with a Keith. Gardiner is shit, i watched him play for the last 2 years in Toronto, he's a horrible defense man who treats the puck like a grenade half of the time. Stewart's stock was already falling and still going. Reimer? LOL. Sorry horrible trade back then, even worse now.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 14, 2015 16:27:22 GMT -5
Was it because another GM backed out of a done deal and he had to scramble to replace it? He'd added Carlson, Ladd, Voracek, Eriksson, Purcell, Craig Anderson. Don't forget the previous GM left that team with Crosby and not much else. The deal he had in place was better, for sure. If you want to get on a guy for a trade he made last summer, should have done it then until waiting until he's gone. Maybe you did, I don't know. I don't pay much attention to the rants on this thread. I really resent your comments against me i know you don't like me and i don't give a fuck. Ok, did I miss something here? I don't think Darren made any comments about you at all.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 14, 2015 16:27:38 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. BTW Kevin, nobody faults you for accepting, its friggin Crosby. But it wasn't a very good trade.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 14, 2015 16:32:53 GMT -5
lol... was the Crosby trade THAT bad? I didn't think so at the time... sheesh. BTW Kevin, nobody faults you for accepting, its friggin Crosby. But it wasn't a very good trade. I can assure you Kevin was doing backflips and singing koombaya when it was put through. Kev of all people I would expect you to know just how bad Gardiner and Reimer are as hockey players.
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Post by Philly on Jul 14, 2015 16:42:19 GMT -5
I really resent your comments against me i know you don't like me and i don't give a fuck. Ok, did I miss something here? I don't think Darren made any comments about you at all. When I said it was a bad trade and I felt there were other circumstances behind it, he started getting on my case to elaborate sticking up for Corey, also he commented that I should have the balls to say it to his face and not behind his back. i remember making a comment during the playoffs about Corey being swept in the playoffs not sending in lines. Would you share with us Jon why Corey left the league.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 14, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -5
Whenever things get heated on here, I think of this for some reason.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 14, 2015 17:27:34 GMT -5
Would you share with us Jon why Corey left the league. I have since deleted the e-mail but he basically said he wasn't really having fun (or as much fun as he did the first time around), was a little soured on a few deals that I guess never came to fruition and just wasn't really into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 17:56:50 GMT -5
BTW Kevin, nobody faults you for accepting, its friggin Crosby. But it wasn't a very good trade. I can assure you Kevin was doing backflips and singing koombaya when it was put through. Kev of all people I would expect you to know just how bad Gardiner and Reimer are as hockey players. lol... Was it a good deal for me? Yes. I'm always of the mind that when you get the best player in a deal let alone the best player in the league, you're doing something right. Now, as for the pieces that went back.. Turris was on the up and rise.. Vlasic was a very very valuable defenseman to me and i did think that Stewart was going to be the power forward that everyone thought he could be. Now Eug, you ask me about Gardiner and Reimer.. here's my assessment. Reimer I've always liked because he's a battler. Does his glove suck? yes, has he ever met a rebound he could control? No.. but i did think he was young enough that if he got into the right situation, he could turn his game around. In my opinion, Jake Gardiner is a tremendous skater but has no business playing defense and if I was Babcock I'd put him at left wing so fast, it's nobody's business. But I really do think Corey had the intention of getting more depth (quantity) as opposed to quality and I don't think anyone could fault him for that. Just because he didn't do a "traditional" deal of rebuilding and getting first round picks and prospects back, didnt mean he tried to give Crosby away. I really think he tried to get the most depth back that he could because he didn't want to rebuild. Now, was I happy that I didn't have to put a Duchene, Kessel or a Fowler back in the deal? Yes. Absolutely.
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