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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 13:28:37 GMT -5
UFA winners might be kingmakers...
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 24, 2015 13:50:49 GMT -5
Not counting you out Jake, but yea with all the assets he still has I'm sure Joe isn't done. Having Getzlaf and Kopitar down the middle, and his top 4 D gives him the edge. That said it should be a tight race in the West once again, good luck boys. And whoever should come out, they'll be facing the wrath of the blue and white! You want some, come get some.
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Post by Sharky on Jul 24, 2015 14:51:05 GMT -5
There is only so much you can add to the team, ask Shawn and Kevin about that last year! I think after a certain point (say when you have 6 top line forwards!) chemistry matters more than adding in yet another elite player that will end up getting limited ice time. That is a variable we won't have an answer too until the season is underway. But for the record, I'm not so sure Joe has an edge at centre... Tavares, Stamkos and Stepan can handle Kopitar and Getzlaf.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 15:06:03 GMT -5
There is only so much you can add to the team, ask Shawn and Kevin about that last year! I think after a certain point (say when you have 6 top line forwards!) chemistry matters more than adding in yet another elite player that will end up getting limited ice time. That is a variable we won't have an answer too until the season is underway. But for the record, I'm not so sure Joe has an edge at centre... Tavares, Stamkos and Stepan can handle Kopitar and Getzlaf. Totally agree Jake. It's a kick in the balls when you go out and get top players at the deadline for assets and all you have to show for it is a first round exit. It's baffling.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 24, 2015 15:14:01 GMT -5
I agree that Shawn maybe overstacked last season and messed up his chemistry, but Kevin you got bounced because of some holes on D, no real forwards depth, and Anderson<<<Lehtonen. You can only go so far with a strong top 6. And I can argue that Kessel and Ovi's D ratings didn't help considering their minutes. Not that baffling at all..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 15:28:52 GMT -5
I agree that Shawn maybe overstacked last season and messed up his chemistry, but Kevin you got bounced because of some holes on D, no real forwards depth, and Anderson<<<Lehtonen. You can only go so far with a strong top 6. And I can argue that Kessel and Ovi's D ratings didn't help considering their minutes. Not that baffling at all.. lol... Okay Eugene.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 24, 2015 15:45:57 GMT -5
I agree that Shawn maybe overstacked last season and messed up his chemistry, but Kevin you got bounced because of some holes on D, no real forwards depth, and Anderson<<<Lehtonen. You can only go so far with a strong top 6. And I can argue that Kessel and Ovi's D ratings didn't help considering their minutes. Not that baffling at all.. lol... Okay Eugene. Okay Kevin? If any of what I said was inaccurate, feel free to comment. Not trying to rub it in, you had a great team bud. Just don't think it was that shocking to see Boston move on. 2nd round again Montreal on the other hand, that was indeed baffling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -5
No comment necessary. I'll let you have your two cents worth.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 24, 2015 15:51:26 GMT -5
Having actual forward depth is a huge divider between teams. Joe was able to run basically three 1st lines with exact equal amount of ice-time and nice spread out ratings. Florida had two awesome lines but were DF liabilities and were way overplayed. Just my opinion of course
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Post by MontyBurns on Jul 24, 2015 16:16:52 GMT -5
Having actual forward depth is a huge divider between teams. Joe was able to run basically three 1st lines with exact equal amount of ice-time and nice spread out ratings. Florida had two awesome lines but were DF liabilities and were way overplayed. Just my opinion of course Jon, want to take a crack at analyzing why I lost to Boston? Or Kev, or Eug... Or Boston for that matter lol
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 24, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
Having actual forward depth is a huge divider between teams. Joe was able to run basically three 1st lines with exact equal amount of ice-time and nice spread out ratings. Florida had two awesome lines but were DF liabilities and were way overplayed. Just my opinion of course Jon, want to take a crack at analyzing why I lost to Boston? Or Kev, or Eug... Or Boston for that matter lol Pass
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Post by Hawks on Jul 24, 2015 16:49:42 GMT -5
I still put Jake as the favorite to win right this moment. Guy has 3 scorers at 82+ and 4 forwards with 77+ DF rating. I'd be surprised if Jake lost 10 games this year.
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Post by BruinsGM on Jul 24, 2015 17:02:50 GMT -5
Having actual forward depth is a huge divider between teams. Joe was able to run basically three 1st lines with exact equal amount of ice-time and nice spread out ratings. Florida had two awesome lines but were DF liabilities and were way overplayed. Just my opinion of course Jon, want to take a crack at analyzing why I lost to Boston? Or Kev, or Eug... Or Boston for that matter lol Good chemistry on my lines and a lot of luck..
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 24, 2015 17:31:02 GMT -5
Jon, want to take a crack at analyzing why I lost to Boston? Or Kev, or Eug... Or Boston for that matter lol To be honest I thought your series against Boston was a coin flip from the start and that's what it ended up being. In the playoff prediction thread 8 out of 11 had the series going to 7. The goals were 19B-16M and the PP was 6/43B - 4/38M, pretty damn close over 7 games. It was a rivalry series and a lot of penalties called, the only real difference I see is that Boston's PK doesn't use any forwards from his top two lines and even uses one forward who doesn't play on any other lines other than the PK, and the line time is divided 60/40. Also none of the PK forwards play on either PP unit. In contrast, Montreal used two forwards on PK1 that are also on the top two ES lines and gives them 62% of the PK, while they're already getting 34%/32% ES ice-time, as well as one (Getzlaf) also getting major time on the PP. With all the special teams ice-time I'm sure it made at least a very slight difference, enough to win the series I have no idea, but you asked for something
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 24, 2015 18:13:43 GMT -5
Great analysis Jon. I always felt playing your top guys on the PK hinders their production. Not that I was trying to win it all last season, but this was a big part of the problem for me with Pavelski/Steen playing big PK minutes. This season hoping to avoid that by giving Kesler/Toffoli most of those minutes, and keeping them off the PP. PK really is a huge part of the winning formula...
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