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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Oct 12, 2017 15:43:00 GMT -5
Think there 2 questions here: A) More talented players or prospects with more potential from which league? I'd give the Q the definite edge, though lines are blurring as more players take USHL/BCHL/AJHL/OJHL then to NCAA route
B) who would win in a game b/w a Q vs NCAA team? Given the age/maturity, NCAA gets the nod
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Post by MontyBurns on Oct 12, 2017 16:00:44 GMT -5
Are you saying there is no drinking, partying or pussy chasing outside of college? an 18 year old is an 18 year old Sure, but the its not a part of the usual daily life for kids in the OHL/WHL/QMJHL, those kids are WAY more focused on trying to make the grade and get drafted and make the NHL. There is also the factor that in college they are gonna learn skills and trades that could become a career outside of Hockey entirely. Who's more likely to work extra hard to make the NHL: The kid with a college degree and something to fall back on, so that when the NHL teams stop calling, he just gives up and goes into his field of study. or The kid with no degree, who's for him the NHL is his 1 best shot to make it in life. Personally, I'm going with kid #2. I've seen so many of these NCAA kids not make the NHL, in fact, I find most of them don't make it at all or only play a few years. The last successful college to NHL jump I recall seeing was Ryan McDonagh and that was like 5-6 years ago. This comparison is way off base. Literally only rookies in the NCAA would be working to be drafted, as the NHL draft age is 18 (and i guess sophmores if they went undrafted). These players are playing somewhere before they go to the NCAA, as Chris noted below.
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2017 16:08:08 GMT -5
Sure, but the its not a part of the usual daily life for kids in the OHL/WHL/QMJHL, those kids are WAY more focused on trying to make the grade and get drafted and make the NHL. There is also the factor that in college they are gonna learn skills and trades that could become a career outside of Hockey entirely. Who's more likely to work extra hard to make the NHL: The kid with a college degree and something to fall back on, so that when the NHL teams stop calling, he just gives up and goes into his field of study. or The kid with no degree, who's for him the NHL is his 1 best shot to make it in life. Personally, I'm going with kid #2. I've seen so many of these NCAA kids not make the NHL, in fact, I find most of them don't make it at all or only play a few years. The last successful college to NHL jump I recall seeing was Ryan McDonagh and that was like 5-6 years ago. This comparison is way off base. Literally only rookies in the NCAA would be working to be drafted, as the NHL draft age is 18 (and i guess sophmores if they went undrafted). These players are playing somewhere before they go to the NCAA, as Chris noted below. Yes I am aware of that. They still have to work to make the NHL. When you have a degree in business, its a bit less important to live up to your draft spot is all I'm saying...
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 12, 2017 16:14:26 GMT -5
I think we're really overlooking the ECHL here. We're talking about a league that's produced supreme talent like Nathan Walker, Richard Backman, Jay Beagle, Jordie Benn, and Jean-Francois Berube. And to a lesser extent, Braden Holtby, Jonathan Quick, Dan Girardi, Mike Hoffman, and Mark Streit. But still, just Nathan Walker alone deserves to put the E on the map of notable minor leagues.
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Post by Kraken Bobby on Oct 12, 2017 16:30:40 GMT -5
I don't think it would be a mismatch and definitely not "crushed" by any top 20 teams as your post suggested. Other factors would come in to play as well. Ice surface for instance. NCAA plays mostly on Olympic sized rink. Some if not most Q teams play in old school barns with NHL ice surfaces or smaller. Veery different game but regardless ofall that. The top team out of the Q this year would be very competitive with any NCAA team
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 12, 2017 17:56:06 GMT -5
but regardless o fall that The top team out of the Q this year would be very competitive with any NCAA team Yeah I don't know man. The top two teams in the Q right now are Moncton/Quebec. I have a hard time believing that even in a 7 game series either team would get even one win against Denver or BU, regardless of they ice they played on. But hey, it's just an opinion
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2017 18:44:25 GMT -5
Just talking about the BEST teams doesn't really matter, the best NCAA team could be way above every other team, then of course they'd be better than every Q team. League average talent is vastly more important.
If you combined both leagues, I'd wager the best NCAA team would end up on top, but the best Q team would be 2nd or 3rd, and you'd probably have more Q teams in the top 10.
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Post by Kraken Bobby on Oct 13, 2017 13:50:49 GMT -5
but regardless o fall that The top team out of the Q this year would be very competitive with any NCAA team Yeah I don't know man. The top two teams in the Q right now are Moncton/Quebec. I have a hard time believing that even in a 7 game series either team would get even one win against Denver or BU, regardless of they ice they played on. But hey, it's just an opinion Your initial poll said the best team in the Q would get crushed by the top 20 NCAA D1 teams. I see you've now toned that down to Denver against the best of the Q. Ill await the new poll before I vote
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 13, 2017 18:47:58 GMT -5
Yeah I don't know man. The top two teams in the Q right now are Moncton/Quebec. I have a hard time believing that even in a 7 game series either team would get even one win against Denver or BU, regardless of they ice they played on. But hey, it's just an opinion Your initial poll said the best team in the Q would get crushed by the top 20 NCAA D1 teams. I see you've now toned that down to Denver against the best of the Q. Ill await the new poll before I vote I didn't tone it down at all, I still stand by my intial statement. My comment you make a reference to was in response to you saying: but regardless o fall that The top team out of the Q this year would be very competitive with any NCAA team The "any" NCAA team(s) I chose was BU or Denver, to which I think the top team in the Q would get hammered by.
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Post by Kraken Bobby on Oct 13, 2017 19:15:56 GMT -5
"Competetive"
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