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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 24, 2019 13:27:36 GMT -5
All about timing. Right now those planning to contend are focused on resigning their RFAs and shedding cap space. I'm sure everyone would love a Karlsson or a Stamkos, but adding a 6mil RFA into the mix can be problematic.
Another challenge is how many teams are really contending? Like 3? It seems like everyone is keen on rebuilding lol. Sharks, Avs, Canucks, 95% of the East. Everyone looks at Nashville, Calgary, and Pitt and says fack it. So it's timing, lack of contenders, and a saturated market of sellers. I think come deadline time, you'll get a much better market for these dudes.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 24, 2019 13:33:05 GMT -5
When everyone wants a 20 year old superstar + more for their 30 year old last contract player, its hard do much trade talking and get anywhere. I usually don't bother even asking about good players anymore, people always want too much for them. I have a 70 OVR (handsome) beefy defense man and I am not looking for 20 year old superstars Yeah, he is sorta interesting, but not someone I'd be that interested in until after FA I fill my needs first, just a heavy contract.
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Post by boltsgm on Sept 24, 2019 13:39:00 GMT -5
All about timing. Right now those planning to contend are focused on resigning their RFAs and shedding cap space. I'm sure everyone would love a Karlsson or a Stamkos, but adding a 6mil RFA into the mix can be problematic. Another challenge is how many teams are really contending? Like 3? It seems like everyone is keen on rebuilding lol. Sharks, Avs, Canucks, 95% of the East. Everyone looks at Nashville, Calgary, and Pitt and says fack it. So it's timing, lack of contenders, and a saturated market of sellers. I think come deadline time, you'll get a much better market for these dudes. People forget we took Penguins to 7 last year
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Post by Sharky on Sept 24, 2019 13:48:58 GMT -5
That's a good point! I guess Jake and I should be asking for late round picks for some of the highest rated players in the game. Karlsson has the highest PA rating for a D (and consistently does), 4th rounder please! Stamkos for a couple of mid-20's players who were drafted 5 years ago and still haven't cracked the NHL, should be a no-brainer! It's crazy, now looking back I see that a top 5 player with 5-years left has never been traded for a young 20-year old who had one decent season so far in his career, weird! Geez Jon, nobody said it had to be that bad. Karlsson is great (when he is healthy), but trading half your roster for such a player is pointless. Guys always trying to secure entire rosters for 1 guy at the end of his career and its just annoying. Well this is just hyperbole. The players I’m considering moving aren’t at the end of their career, I’m not looking for an entire roster or a 20 year old superstar. I am looking for more than a couple of random “ok” prospects I have never heard of though.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 24, 2019 13:51:51 GMT -5
I haven’t really gotten any offers on my guys either. I’m ok with just holding and continuing my perpetual “retool” however. I think it's tough right now because all those teams know you guys are looking to drop salary. They may be hoping to handcuff you and pick up some value in FA. Also didn't help that 4 teams flooded the market with premium players at the same time I’m just looking to drop salary? I’m just legitimately looking to rebuild my team. I have plenty of cap space to keep them and add if I want to.
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Post by Hawks on Sept 24, 2019 13:54:59 GMT -5
Geez Jon, nobody said it had to be that bad. Karlsson is great (when he is healthy), but trading half your roster for such a player is pointless. Guys always trying to secure entire rosters for 1 guy at the end of his career and its just annoying. Well this is just hyperbole. The players I’m considering moving aren’t at the end of their career, I’m not looking for an entire roster or a 20 year old superstar. I am looking for more than a couple of random “ok” prospects I have never heard of though. Its my fault you haven't heard of players draft just 2 years ago that are in the news all the time? I'm sure Chris has heard of all 3 of them.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 24, 2019 14:07:55 GMT -5
I think it's tough right now because all those teams know you guys are looking to drop salary. They may be hoping to handcuff you and pick up some value in FA. Also didn't help that 4 teams flooded the market with premium players at the same time I’m just looking to drop salary? I’m just legitimately looking to rebuild my team. I have plenty of cap space to keep them and add if I want to. I felt like my offer for Stamkos was pretty strong
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 24, 2019 14:11:49 GMT -5
Ahhh the good ol' banter and trade smack talk. I missed this. The universe is now perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 24, 2019 14:22:59 GMT -5
Chris has probably heard of every prospect drafted in the last couple of years... that’s just not saying much.
Pens- your offer was solid I agree.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 24, 2019 14:24:28 GMT -5
Chris has probably heard of every prospect drafted in the last couple of years... that’s just not saying much. Pens- your offer was solid I agree. Thanks Jake - now let's do it... Lol
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Post by Hawks on Sept 24, 2019 14:30:44 GMT -5
Chris has probably heard of every prospect drafted in the last couple of years... that’s just not saying much. Pens- your offer was solid I agree. Whatever man, as I said, its fine. Josi would be a super bonus to get, but my roster is solid already, and I don't need them that badly. I'm sure your roster of 6 superstars and nobody else can take you all the way, so by all means, hold onto them. When Vesalainen scores 25 goals this year or next, I'll be happy to give you another "I told you so" And I realize it wasn't the strongest offer in the world, as I don't have a lot I'm willing to give up, but it was suppose to be a starting point, but when you come back with "not even close", thats leaves us nowhere left to go, so continuing talks is rather pointless.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 24, 2019 14:47:40 GMT -5
Chris has probably heard of every prospect drafted in the last couple of years... that’s just not saying much. Pens- your offer was solid I agree. Whatever man, as I said, its fine. Josi would be a super bonus to get, but my roster is solid already, and I don't need them that badly. I'm sure your roster of 6 superstars and nobody else can take you all the way, so by all means, hold onto them. When Vesalainen scores 25 goals this year or next, I'll be happy to give you another "I told you so" And I realize it wasn't the strongest offer in the world, as I don't have a lot I'm willing to give up, but it was suppose to be a starting point, but when you come back with "not even close", thats leaves us nowhere left to go, so continuing talks is rather pointless. Nothing makes me happier than a good ol Gavin rant
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Post by LeafsGM on Sept 24, 2019 14:51:35 GMT -5
Chris has probably heard of every prospect drafted in the last couple of years... that’s just not saying much. Pens- your offer was solid I agree. Thanks Jake - now let's do it... Lol Don't do it Jake! You can do better!!
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Sept 24, 2019 14:57:36 GMT -5
Thanks Jake - now let's do it... Lol Don't do it Jake! You can do better!! OFFSEASON IS BACK IN FULL SWING GAVIN RANTS TRADING DEBATES LEAFS/PENS RIVALRY IN MULTIPLE THREADS
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Sept 24, 2019 14:58:37 GMT -5
Ahhh the good ol' banter and trade smack talk. I missed this. The universe is now perfectly balanced, as all things should be. IMPEACH him! {ooops - wrong thread ; }
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