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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2009 12:54:05 GMT -5
C'mon guys let's please at least attempt a little diplomacy and not get this argument goin again- it's not good for league and makes one uncomfortable imo worst for the league then any trade might be.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 12, 2009 13:11:03 GMT -5
C'mon guys let's please at least attempt a little diplomacy and not get this argument goin again- it's not good for league and makes one uncomfortable imo worst for the league then any trade might be. I agree Ray but when he speaks out against every one of my big trades, something's gotta give. Like, how long can you keep a grudge for? Disagree with the deal, fine, but calling it a joke and saying i'm trying to spin it? That's immature. Sure you can think it's in my favor, but a joke??? A joke would be trading a franchise center like ohh i dont know, say Steven Stamkos, for a bag of pucks. Nothing funny about trading an established 28 year old winger for a 20 year old top 10 picked player in one of the best drafts in years with skill, two way play, and blazing speed, and a bluechip dman ALREADY playing top 4 minutes as an 18 years old, being widely considered an absolute steal at 14. The joke part is how good Kulikov is gonna be when he's 20. But let me guess, that didn't even come to your mind in the 3 seconds it took for you to reject it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 13:57:12 GMT -5
C'mon guys let's please at least attempt a little diplomacy and not get this argument goin again- it's not good for league and makes one uncomfortable imo worst for the league then any trade might be. I agree Ray but when he speaks out against every one of my big trades, something's gotta give. Like, how long can you keep a grudge for? Disagree with the deal, fine, but calling it a joke and saying i'm trying to spin it? That's immature. Sure you can think it's in my favor, but a joke??? A joke would be trading a franchise center like ohh i dont know, say Steven Stamkos, for a bag of pucks. Nothing funny about trading an established 28 year old winger for a 20 year old top 10 picked player in one of the best drafts in years with skill, two way play, and blazing speed, and a bluechip dman ALREADY playing top 4 minutes as an 18 years old, being widely considered an absolute steal at 14. The joke part is how good Kulikov is gonna be when he's 20. But let me guess, that didn't even come to your mind in the 3 seconds it took for you to reject it. Are you trying to convince me, yourself, or the people who haven't voted yet? Obviously more people agree with me than you, as it is being rejected at the moment. The trade is a joke! And nope, never heard of either player
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 12, 2009 14:30:33 GMT -5
I agree Ray but when he speaks out against every one of my big trades, something's gotta give. Like, how long can you keep a grudge for? Disagree with the deal, fine, but calling it a joke and saying i'm trying to spin it? That's immature. Sure you can think it's in my favor, but a joke??? A joke would be trading a franchise center like ohh i dont know, say Steven Stamkos, for a bag of pucks. Nothing funny about trading an established 28 year old winger for a 20 year old top 10 picked player in one of the best drafts in years with skill, two way play, and blazing speed, and a bluechip dman ALREADY playing top 4 minutes as an 18 years old, being widely considered an absolute steal at 14. The joke part is how good Kulikov is gonna be when he's 20. But let me guess, that didn't even come to your mind in the 3 seconds it took for you to reject it. Are you trying to convince me, yourself, or the people who haven't voted yet? Obviously more people agree with me than you, as it is being rejected at the moment. The trade is a joke! And nope, never heard of either player Funny thing is, even if we pull back this trade, tweak it and send in a new one, you will STILL vote against it i guarantee it. And no i'm not trying to convince myself, i know full well what i'm giving up, and nashville knows full well what he's getting since he was firm on those 2 players. I am though trying to show that this trade isn't worthy of rejection. The players nashville is getting are of first line talent, not borderline, not fringe, and not boom bust, as has been the case in other trades. Just because it doesn't add up to your "standards" doesn't mean it's not a great deal for someone else. Look, it's become too obvious that no matter what, you'll be speaking out against all my deals, and that's fine because i was vocal about rejecting yours in the past. I get it, you're still bitter. But in no way shape or form does this deal deserve the outcry that you're trying to put out there for everyone to see and clearly affect their votes. I don't think that's called for.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 12, 2009 14:47:22 GMT -5
(........DRUMROLL..........) Jason Spezza Alex Tanguay for Linus Omark Josh Godfrey 2009 2nd Rd. Pick 2010 1st Rd. Pick 2010 1st Rd. Pick (Buf) 2011 1st Rd. Pick PLEASE show me where the PROVEN is in ANYTHING that you gave up for Spezza AND Tanguay, i beg you. This is exactly the shit im talking about. You're quick to jump on every deal out of spite, but you don't practice what you preach. I think there's a word for it, hypocrite. You bash my deal and accuse me of spin for giving up "unproven" players for a zetterberg, when you gave up a bunch of 1sts in WEAK drafts that have about a 4% chance of being rated in our league within the next 8 years, for Spezza and Tanguay!!! Oh wait i forgot you gave linus omark and josh godfrey, yea that really puts it over the top Fact is, im giving up about as close to sure fire talent under 21 as you can get, whereas you gave up crap shoots and linus omark (who MAY end up being good, at some point in the next 5 years). And IMO Spezza>Zetterberg, and then you get Tanguay. Enough said. PS. I voted to pass that deal
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 12, 2009 14:49:31 GMT -5
I based this trade purely on looks, Kulikov and Boedker are much more handsome than Zetterberg! But seriously, I had gone after some players I wanted with no luck before putting Zetterberg on the block. I wasn't able to get a clearly established young player, so I based these on potential, which of course by any account is always hard to tell for sure but I like both of their odds. I don't need Zetterberg right now for the reasons I had first picked him up for, and I am trying to rebuild, so might as well get 2 great players for one. Even if I had got say three 1st round picks for Zetterberg, there would have been even more uncertainty as to what I'd be getting, at least with these players I have some background to go on.....and yes, they do still have to prove themselves yet in the NHL. I would take what I can see and know then first rounder especially if they are picks that if they are not first 10 or so, then you may have to wiat even longer to get return. My opinion and my choice of type of players I like to get in any trade.....I guess you can tell by how many first round picks I made over the years
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Post by Sharky on Oct 12, 2009 14:52:35 GMT -5
So let me get this straight... Boedker is a top six forward who played third/fourth line minutes?
And Kulikov is widely considered a "stud" prospect. I agree about that, but so have many other players who haven't worked out. Look at James Sheppard, drafted high, made the team out of camp, and is still putting up 20 points a year. Playing 20+ minutes a game for 4 games isn't something to get carried away about...
If Turris and Schenn arn't enough to get 2 years of Iginla, then Kulikov and Boedker are not enough to get 6 years of Zetterberg. If we pass this trade, then the consistency of some GMs voting is very questionable.
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Post by CanesGM on Oct 12, 2009 15:04:06 GMT -5
Why no? Its two completely unproven players for one of the leagues best wingers. Perfectly said! This trade is a joke, no matter how Toronto trys to spin it! People have been "focred" to give up more for less in deals where the league thought it wa unfair. If this passes it is truly a sad day for the JGHL! agreed
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 12, 2009 15:06:55 GMT -5
Only that Turris and Schenn WAS enough for Iginla. Turris and a bunch of crap wasn't. Look, everyone has their own subjective opinions on every player. You happen to think that because Boedker is being brought in slowly, and is stuck behind a bunch of veteran wingers, he isn't a top 6 talent. I happen to believe before this season ends, he will be playing on one of the top 2 lines, and so do a lot of phoenix fans. Bottom line, my argument is that if this trade is being rejected because of the unproven factor, you don't have to look too far to see almost identical players being traded for a lot LESS proven assets. I think my point has been made with my last post.
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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2009 15:10:44 GMT -5
I think those 2 players are rated 8.0 B, if I recall, but too lazy to go look again.
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 12, 2009 15:24:06 GMT -5
Just add to deal like everyone else does and if you all can make Nash a richer guy by offering much better then do it! Instead of just saying this and saying that. Eveyone is willing to say what should be given up in trades until it is time for them to make trades, then they all are just so much better then what you are offering and their players are put over and above all others.
Just add to deal, resubmit and in meantime if you want him, make Nash an offer that is better. most likely will not happens because of all the so called stars every has and the lack of willingnees to give up anything.....
Un- Believable! Make a better offer guys! Nash wants to move him, period!
Nash made offer to me for zetterber, but my guys are so great I did not want to move them, I want to fit in! LOL
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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2009 15:40:31 GMT -5
Eveyone is willing to say what should be given up in trades until it is time for them to make trades, then they all are just so much better then what you are offering and their players are put over and above all others. Indeed
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Post by Philly on Oct 12, 2009 15:45:49 GMT -5
There is this huge youth movment in the league, more so then any other season, I guess cause there is a multitude of good talented youth.
Come trade deadline time that will change abit, or when teams are getting their ass kicked, cause they lack a good mix of old and new(EX- LD).LOL
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 12, 2009 15:53:58 GMT -5
There is this huge youth movment in the league, more so then any other season, I guess cause there is a multitude of good talented youth. Come trade deadline time that will change abit, or when teams are getting their ass kicked, cause they lack a good mix of old and new(EX- LD).LOL I welcome the ass kicking if I will get better in future, as it seems I have been getting progressively worse in the last few years from getting knocked out in 3rd round, 2nd, then 1st to not making the playoffs now the obvious is the get ass kicked and make the NYR a very happy man
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Post by Hawks on Oct 12, 2009 15:56:23 GMT -5
Thats how rebuilding goes, gotta bottom feed for awhile to make it to the top. Unless you are Calgary
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