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Post by LeafsGM on Apr 7, 2010 10:11:49 GMT -5
I think draft year is one of the biggest factors here. 2008's 1st round is prob going to have one of the highest % of talent ever. 99 on the other hand, the lowest. Every draft class is different, not every lottery contains studs that will produce from the get go, and some drafts will be deeper than others. This makes 1st rounders subjective as shit lol.
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Post by MontyBurns on Apr 7, 2010 10:14:13 GMT -5
Sharkys example of Mihalek is a perfect example. Yeah, the guy isnt a stud (yet, may never be), but for a pick you can get a Sweet 2nd liner that you have no worry of losing for 8-10 years, and his contract can never be more than he is worth (at the time of FA). That sounds pretty good to me. Also, having a salary cap in the NHL has changed the way teams scout. Graduation rates are much better now than in the past.
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Post by Philly on Apr 7, 2010 11:50:08 GMT -5
Man, if I listen to you guys the only thing of any Value I got in the Gaborik deal was Bergeron Michalek had 20 goals the 1st half of the NHL season, and has been suffering from injuries the 2nd half. You guys don't seem to ever add the X factor in, injuries. Look at Gabby, this season after corrective surgery, don't hear him referred to as MR.Glass much anymore. It's all a crap shoot, without a crystal ball. The higher the pick the better the odds. Most humans reach their life prime in their late 20's. Your heads on straighter and your body at peek performance. Hell did you guys know it takes 22yrs. before your brain fully develops as far as decision makin. A medical fact.
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Post by Hawks on Apr 7, 2010 13:20:11 GMT -5
Sharkys example of Mihalek is a perfect example. Yeah, the guy isnt a stud (yet, may never be), but for a pick you can get a Sweet 2nd liner that you have no worry of losing for 8-10 years, and his contract can never be more than he is worth (at the time of FA). That sounds pretty good to me. Also, having a salary cap in the NHL has changed the way teams scout. Graduation rates are much better now than in the past. Agreed, Graduation rates seem MUCH higher now than in the past. Thats a trend I would expect to continue indefinitely (unless they get rid of the salary cap). Teams are more willing to give the young guys a crack at the NHL to show what they can do much sooner, and for much longer before they are given up on. This has the side effect of making draft picks more valuable, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 13:35:50 GMT -5
Younger players are cheaper in salary cap land. Teams are spending more time and money in the scouting and developing of these young players. Teams that miss on draft picks are at a decided disadvantage in salary cap land, as they can't go and drop a shit ton of money on the handsomest free agent in the land. I'm excited to see what happens to the Flames in the future. They traded away their first and second round picks this year, and their third may be gone to Edmonton I believe for Staios.
New homegrown blood will be more valuable to NHL teams as the foreign talent pool shrinks as a result of the KHL and to a lesser extent, the European leagues.
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Post by LeafsGM on Apr 7, 2010 13:41:47 GMT -5
We got a little bit spoiled with the 08 and 09 draft classes. Tho i agree that more young guys will be given shots at an NHL roster, the next few drafts are considered to be significantly weaker than the last 2. At least according to the experts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 22:39:45 GMT -5
Younger players are cheaper in salary cap land. Teams are spending more time and money in the scouting and developing of these young players. Teams that miss on draft picks are at a decided disadvantage in salary cap land, as they can't go and drop a shit ton of money on the handsomest free agent in the land. I'm excited to see what happens to the Flames in the future. They traded away their first and second round picks this year, and their third may be gone to Edmonton I believe for Staios. New homegrown blood will be more valuable to NHL teams as the foreign talent pool shrinks as a result of the KHL and to a lesser extent, the European leagues. Umm, I don't agree with any of those statements, FA is the only way to go. How can you go wrong with handing out big bucks to guaranteed long-term talent. Would you really rather have Tyler Myers, Drew Doughty, Jack Johnson, Mike Green, Luke Schenn, Marc Staal, Brent Burns (not a bust)...etc....or Wade Redden. Now the Rangers have him all for themselves against their cap, and is not a bust like most 1st round picks end up being. And they even have the option of easily moving him to any team of their choice if they need to make cap room. Even if 1sts end up a bust, a lot of the time it's because they don't live up to maybe a point-per-game expectation, and can usually either play on a lesser line, get traded to team willing to take a chance on them (Mueller), or they won't get re-signed to a huge contract if they don't produce. I like 1sts, and I agree that scouting has gotten better, but of course no guarantee.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 7, 2010 23:11:57 GMT -5
Younger players are cheaper in salary cap land. Teams are spending more time and money in the scouting and developing of these young players. Teams that miss on draft picks are at a decided disadvantage in salary cap land, as they can't go and drop a shit ton of money on the handsomest free agent in the land. I'm excited to see what happens to the Flames in the future. They traded away their first and second round picks this year, and their third may be gone to Edmonton I believe for Staios. New homegrown blood will be more valuable to NHL teams as the foreign talent pool shrinks as a result of the KHL and to a lesser extent, the European leagues. I find it funny Oiler fans think the Flames are going to be terrible for the next few years because they are missing 3 draft picks. The Oilers and all of their draft picks/amazing prospects have managed to make the playoffs, what, twice? since the lock out. Oiler fans find it convenient to ignore current rosters, and either talk about the 80s, or talk about how good they will be in the future (that has been going on for about 10 years now... still waiting). This is probably because their current roster is always so bad.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 7, 2010 23:13:55 GMT -5
And I still think its way to early to judge the 2008 and 2009 drafts. A lot of those players may be stars in the NHL, or we might get a bunch more Michalek's, Ballard's, and Cogliano's.
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Post by LeafsGM on Apr 8, 2010 9:09:07 GMT -5
What's with all the Milan Michalek hate. The dude has had an injury plagued season with a new team and is still leading them in goals. He's pretty much a sure bet for 25 every year, explain to me how that's bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 11:57:45 GMT -5
Younger players are cheaper in salary cap land. Teams are spending more time and money in the scouting and developing of these young players. Teams that miss on draft picks are at a decided disadvantage in salary cap land, as they can't go and drop a shit ton of money on the handsomest free agent in the land. I'm excited to see what happens to the Flames in the future. They traded away their first and second round picks this year, and their third may be gone to Edmonton I believe for Staios. New homegrown blood will be more valuable to NHL teams as the foreign talent pool shrinks as a result of the KHL and to a lesser extent, the European leagues. I find it funny Oiler fans think the Flames are going to be terrible for the next few years because they are missing 3 draft picks. The Oilers and all of their draft picks/amazing prospects have managed to make the playoffs, what, twice? since the lock out. Oiler fans find it convenient to ignore current rosters, and either talk about the 80s, or talk about how good they will be in the future (that has been going on for about 10 years now... still waiting). This is probably because their current roster is always so bad. It's not just Oilers fans, and it's not because they are missing three picks. It's because their system is bare save for Backlund. It's because their roster is very inflexible. It's because Iginla has no one to play with and Kipprusoff has to play out of his mind to keep the Flames in games at all. The Oilers finished in last place. The Oilers don't have a good history of developing their own draft picks. The Oilers have a number of highly rated prospects that may or may not pan out. They are perhaps in a better position moving forward than the Flames are. The Oilers have made the playoffs once since the lockout, the Flames have made it four times. The Oilers have won more playoff games since the lockout. The Oilers are in suckville, the Flames are off to mediocrity.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 8, 2010 12:44:16 GMT -5
What's with all the Milan Michalek hate. The dude has had an injury plagued season with a new team and is still leading them in goals. He's pretty much a sure bet for 25 every year, explain to me how that's bad. Its not hate, I'm just saying 1st round picks are not invaluable. Michalek is a good player and a former 1st round pick, but, in my opinion, he's a 2nd liner and not invaluable. He's an example of a high first round pick, who turned out OK.
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