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Post by AvsGM on Sept 25, 2010 20:07:05 GMT -5
For Backstrom at least...We weren't talking about the 75 OV Brodeur... I know we weren't, which is why my question was directed at Jake
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 20:13:18 GMT -5
For Backstrom at least...We weren't talking about the 75 OV Brodeur... I know we weren't, which is why my question was directed at Jake But I'm agreeing with Jake, you can ALWAYS say no to every deal, that's the fun part of trading, seeing if you can get a better deal.
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Post by MontyBurns on Sept 25, 2010 21:22:05 GMT -5
anyway, I would just like to point out, that not only did I make OTB posts, I went through the other 25 teams rosters and msged the few teams who have a worse G than backstrom, have the cap space, and arent in tank mode. Which is about three. Seriously. Look through the rosters.
And i said this before, im really excited to get amazing offers now because obviously this is well advertised and appearantly tons of ppl really think his value is higher.
Might be a moot point if this passes tho
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Post by AvsGM on Sept 26, 2010 12:31:51 GMT -5
Since it's a close vote I have e-mailed the remaining voters. I'll give it until 8pm and then process the result.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 20, 2010 14:47:11 GMT -5
Very nice trade for Buff. Love it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 15:11:16 GMT -5
Buffalo definitely got a nice return on Datsyuk. However there's a whole long season ahead of us, and one more strike and he's out of the league anyhow Obviously Datsyuk is a huge addition to any team, however I think Vancouver would have been much better served acquiring a puck moving defenseman at this point.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 23, 2010 11:23:55 GMT -5
Wow, huuuuge trade. It's actually more even than it looks, but i guess i can understand a few against votes. NJ gets the best player in the deal obv, but Nucks still get a very nice package. Oshie has yet to break out but it's coming, Wolski is good just off to a slow start, and Pitkanen is the puck moving D he's been searching for, and he gets a 1st. Meanwhile Kopi is gonna get a huge salary bump next year.
It obviously leans towards NJ right now, but i wouldn't be surprised if this trade is even down the road. Good one boys
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 23, 2010 13:30:24 GMT -5
Wow, huuuuge trade. It's actually more even than it looks, but i guess i can understand a few against votes. NJ gets the best player in the deal obv, but Nucks still get a very nice package. Oshie has yet to break out but it's coming, Wolski is good just off to a slow start, and Pitkanen is the puck moving D he's been searching for, and he gets a 1st. Meanwhile Kopi is gonna get a huge salary bump next year. It obviously leans towards NJ right now, but i wouldn't be surprised if this trade is even down the road. Good one boys I agree I get a slight bump now getting a top centermen and solid RW which was much needed but Big Joe made his team better by getting a puck mover no thought plus he fills 2nd line center hole and gets a guy who could possibly play all forward postions over time. It seems to be a win win for both of us but will indeed cost me next year.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 23, 2010 15:01:46 GMT -5
Not sure what Vancouver is thinking, when you deal a franchise player you have to get a better return than that. He should have been getting Kane back for sure. None of the players he got back have Kopitars upside. You could argue that New Jersey got the best two players in the deal. And you would think, if you are looking to move a player of Kopitar's calibre, that you shop him around (e.g. post that he's on the block)
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 23, 2010 15:49:43 GMT -5
Well you're selling Oshie short IMO, the guy is playing above a PPG at the moment, and could end up breaking out properly this season. If Oshie has a 60 point+ season, you could argue that he is the player of Kopi's calibur Van is getting back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2010 15:55:20 GMT -5
He should have been getting Kane back for sure. None of the players he got back have Kopitars upside. And you would think, if you are looking to move a player of Kopitar's calibre, that you shop him around (e.g. post that he's on the block) I have to agree 100% on both points. Had I known Kopitar was available I definitely would have made a play for him
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 23, 2010 16:00:56 GMT -5
It's always the same case with these big deals that come seemingly out of nowhere. Any one of you guys could have msged him and inquired.
I fully agree that it's more "benefitial" for a team to put up a marquee player on the market, but sometimes someone comes in and offers up players that fancy them, and a deal gets done.
End of the day though, it is not a reason to reject it. The deal is fair.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 23, 2010 16:06:34 GMT -5
Well you're selling Oshie short IMO, the guy is playing above a PPG at the moment, and could end up breaking out properly this season. If Oshie has a 60 point+ season, you could argue that he is the player of Kopi's calibur Van is getting back. Do you actually think Oshie is a player comparable to Kopitar? Even if he gets 60 points? He could be, but the probability of that is small. People seem to over value young players that "could" be good, vs. undervalue veterans that are good. The start of his NHL season is a non-factor. By that logic there are a lot of Kopitar calibre players in the league, when in reality there are not.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 23, 2010 16:35:41 GMT -5
I know what you're saying Jake, and to some extent i agree. But Oshie isnt a young guy who "could" be good. He's a young guy who IS good, just hasn't shown how good he can be yet. I'm very high on Oshie, and so are a lot of others. The dude is in his 3rd season, and has always hovered around 0.6 PPG. Don't be shocked to see him hovering around PPG from this point on.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 23, 2010 17:11:59 GMT -5
"Good" is relative I guess... in my post I was refering to franchise players, like Kopitar, Staal or Stastny as "good". Oshie is a solid player right now, but I think his long term potential is debatable. I see him as a future high-end top six forward, but not a franchise player. Similar things could be said about Wolski. Pitkanen I see as a #3/4 D because he is not the best defensively. In my opinion, Vancouver didn't get any elite-level talent or potential back. He should have asked for Kane I didn't reject the trade because he didn't post Kopitar as on the block. I wouldn't have PMed him even if he did, but I'm sure others in need of a centre would have. It was just poor asset management not to make him publically available.
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