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Post by MontyBurns on Jan 14, 2013 18:44:55 GMT -5
It is really difficult to trade 10 million dollar contacts, especially multi-year ones. Guys like Marleau just don't have much value, despite pretty decent ratings. Well, this has been shown to be untrue as a rule. There have been a few guys, thornton and vokun come to mind immidiately, who have gotten good returns. However, I think it depends highly on team need, time of the year, and re-rate prospects. I dont mind the deal, though. If NYR held out, especially to the 5 mil increase, he probably could have gotten more, but he made his move when he wanted to. No biggie.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 14, 2013 21:41:28 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by "as a rule". There have been plenty of 10 million dollar players that have gotten really low returns. Thornton and Vokoun were rated better than Marleau, and only had 1 year left on their contract, which is huge. I'm not really sure which Vokoun trade you are refering to though... Vokoun was traded last year for Tim Thomas, which is kind of an irrelevant trade since they were both UFAs.
Also, you forgot to mention Thornton was traded along with Tanguay and Lydman, both great 1-2 year rentals, for Saad, a late 1st, and a 7ish type prospect. Now Saad is an awesome prospect, but come on... that was for three impact players, not just Thornton.
Marleau has a two year contract, he isn't rated that well, and is a pretty big risk going into next season. So he got quite a bit less.
Not to mention almost all of teams that can afford Marleau likely have zero interest in him as they are rebuilding.
Keep in mind Streit was recently traded for a 5th round pick. Essentially nothing. Bryzgalov was traded for a similar package as Marleau is getting.
There really are not any set rules for these types of trades... some times you can get a decent return, but other times the market for these expensive players is almost non-existant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 22:47:32 GMT -5
Ya as soon as I saw the deal I figured Marleau must have a bad deal and with that 10 million deal and the seeming reluctance for anyone to trade for any older, expensive players it doesn't seem that bad to me.
I guess we will see what happens when the bump comes but so far it seems like everyone wants to rebuild/stand pat so guys like Marleau are tough to move.
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Post by Stars GM on Jan 15, 2013 7:17:49 GMT -5
I thought I had worked myself into a better deal. I may have gotten a, little more at the deadline but with 10 mil and one more year left and most the contenders pushed to the cap.
Being my first experience in sim league I am trying to stay patient but sometimes excitement gets the better of me.
I still like the direction I am going.
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Post by MontyBurns on Jan 15, 2013 9:21:14 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by "as a rule". There have been plenty of 10 million dollar players that have gotten really low returns. Thornton and Vokoun were rated better than Marleau, and only had 1 year left on their contract, which is huge. I'm not really sure which Vokoun trade you are refering to though... Vokoun was traded last year for Tim Thomas, which is kind of an irrelevant trade since they were both UFAs. Also, you forgot to mention Thornton was traded along with Tanguay and Lydman, both great 1-2 year rentals, for Saad, a late 1st, and a 7ish type prospect. Now Saad is an awesome prospect, but come on... that was for three impact players, not just Thornton. Marleau has a two year contract, he isn't rated that well, and is a pretty big risk going into next season. So he got quite a bit less. Not to mention almost all of teams that can afford Marleau likely have zero interest in him as they are rebuilding. Keep in mind Streit was recently traded for a 5th round pick. Essentially nothing. Bryzgalov was traded for a similar package as Marleau is getting. There really are not any set rules for these types of trades... some times you can get a decent return, but other times the market for these expensive players is almost non-existant. When I said as a rule I meant exactly what you just said. Sometimes you can get alot, sometimes, you get very little. Depends largely on the time of year, team needs and prospects for a good rerate.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 15, 2013 20:38:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind what ten million in cap space can get you in the off season...
Gavin signed Joe Thornton (7.5) and Radim Vrbata (7.5)
Kevin got St. Louis (7.5) and Ryder (6.5).
All of those players are probably worth more than Marleau since they are cheaper, and rated similarly or better.
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Post by Nordiques - Chris on Jan 15, 2013 22:44:47 GMT -5
I thought I had worked myself into a better deal. I may have gotten a, little more at the deadline but with 10 mil and one more year left and most the contenders pushed to the cap. Being my first experience in sim league I am trying to stay patient but sometimes excitement gets the better of me. I still like the direction I am going. I thought you made a good deal, under the circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 15:55:03 GMT -5
Doesn't it seem like there have been a lot less trades up to this point in the season than there has been in previous years?
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Post by MontyBurns on Jan 23, 2013 16:01:10 GMT -5
Not really. I think a lot of the action has already happened. Once we get closer to the deadline youll probably see another 20 deals, bringing us in line with other seasons.
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Post by Philly on Jan 23, 2013 16:04:57 GMT -5
Doesn't it seem like there have been a lot less trades up to this point in the season than there has been in previous years? I was thinkin the same Adam, I blame it on the lock-out, I already see a few values goin up though, by who's hot and who's not. Hope Heater can keep it up.
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Post by Hawks on Jan 23, 2013 16:05:17 GMT -5
Yeah, trades overall during the year are down. I think its mainly an issue relating to the cap and having so many up against it.
I know the cap basically prevents ME from making any moves at all until the deadline, I'm sure a few others are in a similar situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 17:27:36 GMT -5
I disagree.. I think now that there's a season... guys are waiting to see how their players are gonna do and how that affects next year's ratings... a lot in our league rides on how things go in the NHL season... so i think that's the biggest factor.
Plus the fact that there are some GM's that really dont answer inquiries... or simply like their team the way it is. I dont think it should be viewed as a bad thing.
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Post by MontyBurns on Jan 23, 2013 17:28:35 GMT -5
Yeah, trades overall during the year are down. I think its mainly an issue relating to the cap and having so many up against it. I know the cap basically prevents ME from making any moves at all until the deadline, I'm sure a few others are in a similar situation. Ummmm... really didnt want to bother, but I did. From the start of LAST season to Jan 21 we had 73 trades. From the start of THIS season we have had 89 trades. Speaks for itself.
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Post by Hawks on Jan 23, 2013 18:35:53 GMT -5
Yeah, trades overall during the year are down. I think its mainly an issue relating to the cap and having so many up against it. I know the cap basically prevents ME from making any moves at all until the deadline, I'm sure a few others are in a similar situation. Ummmm... really didnt want to bother, but I did. From the start of LAST season to Jan 21 we had 73 trades. From the start of THIS season we have had 89 trades. Speaks for itself. I think we also had a longer off-season this year than in previous years, there was an absolute flurry of trades in the last month leading up to the start of our season.
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Post by MontyBurns on Jan 23, 2013 19:02:43 GMT -5
Ummmm... really didnt want to bother, but I did. From the start of LAST season to Jan 21 we had 73 trades. From the start of THIS season we have had 89 trades. Speaks for itself. I think we also had a longer off-season this year than in previous years, there was an absolute flurry of trades in the last month leading up to the start of our season. Lol yep. See my comment below its not a slow year, timing is just different.
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