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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 9, 2015 12:19:36 GMT -5
I don't think we should make changes on the fly! Changes should be implemented once season ends and before trading starts next season. Just hit pause button on FA until we get new Isles GM. IMHO! With all due respect to my good friend Ron, I don't think there would be any real issue with making the changes now. It is the off-season, after-all and if we can't make changes now, when could we make them. Not sure any trades that have been made wouldn't have been made if the rules were different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 12:19:56 GMT -5
I think it makes sense to change the RFA process to the following draft, especially if it makes the off-season move along, but I do ow some people havent liked changes "on the fly" in the past so I guess if it messes up someone's plans we should leave it but with his rare RFA offer sheets are I can't imagine it would.
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Post by Philly on Jul 9, 2015 12:24:57 GMT -5
Sure easy to tell who has a ton of RFA's.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 9, 2015 12:31:37 GMT -5
We could re-look at the compensation, but it looks pretty reasonable. It's close to NHL compensation. We could compare the two and see if any adjustments should be made. I don't think it really matters if the picks are for this year or for next year. The team making the offer still has to have the picks and the team whose RFA gets the offer still has the right to match. But I do think it might cause teams to at least consider a few more offer sheets. It matters because of value of a pick this year is much greater than the value of a pick next year. We'd be effectively lowering compensation, its still the same number of picks, but the year gap (as well as having no idea where the placement of that pick might be) is a fairly big change.
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Post by Sharky on Jul 9, 2015 12:33:07 GMT -5
Free agency is always tough for a new GM to step right into anyway. I'd almost rather we put someone else in charge of the team temporarily, like Jon and/or Gavin.
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 9, 2015 12:40:12 GMT -5
We could re-look at the compensation, but it looks pretty reasonable. It's close to NHL compensation. We could compare the two and see if any adjustments should be made. I don't think it really matters if the picks are for this year or for next year. The team making the offer still has to have the picks and the team whose RFA gets the offer still has the right to match. But I do think it might cause teams to at least consider a few more offer sheets. It matters because of value of a pick this year is much greater than the value of a pick next year. We'd be effectively lowering compensation, its still the same number of picks, but the year gap (as well as having no idea where the placement of that pick might be) is a fairly big change. Right now we have no offer sheets, so the value of RFA compensation is effectvely zero. I don't have any problem re-looking at the compensation, but I think it's pretty close to what team's get in the NHL, so I don't think it's too far off. BTW, I don't have an agenda here. In fact I doubt I would ever give up three or four picks to sign a free agent. Just kind of goes against my philosophy. So I'm not advocating these changes out of personal interest. I think the possibility of offer sheets would just make free agency and the off-season more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 12:42:46 GMT -5
I'll offer sheet every one of you. Bring it on. =
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 9, 2015 12:45:11 GMT -5
I'll offer sheet every one of you. Bring it on. = Play nice now newbie
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 9, 2015 12:45:26 GMT -5
Lots of people praised the Crosby trade at the time. I didn't get it then, and it looks even worse now. All of Corey's trades were pretty bad. If you look at everything that went out the Isles door and what they actually ended up with in the end it's pretty sad. If we were to change the order of events and put the draft before FA then I would say that's a change for next season. Being 3-days away from opening FA I don't think is the right time. In regards to a new NYI GM, I think Gavin and/or I running the team temporarily is the best idea. There are like 5 UFAs (being a little sarcastic but not really) to sign and I anticipate prices being through the roof. The last thing we need is some idiot coming in and fucking up the team even more because they want to "make their mark". It will be a lot easier to transition a new GM if they can just come in and start playing games.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 9, 2015 12:49:56 GMT -5
It matters because of value of a pick this year is much greater than the value of a pick next year. We'd be effectively lowering compensation, its still the same number of picks, but the year gap (as well as having no idea where the placement of that pick might be) is a fairly big change. Right now we have no offer sheets, so the value of RFA compensation is effectvely zero. I don't have any problem re-looking at the compensation, but I think it's pretty close to what team's get in the NHL, so I don't think it's too far off. BTW, I don't have an agenda here. In fact I doubt I would ever give up three or four picks to sign a free agent. Just kind of goes against my philosophy. So I'm not advocating these changes out of personal interest. I think the possibility of offer sheets would just make free agency and the off-season more interesting. No worries, I wasn't thinking you were trying to gain out of it or anything, just there are factors to always consider with every change and we try to address those factors. BTW - Part of the reason it is this years draft was to make the picks more valuable to increase the odds of the offer sheet "working", not knowing the draft spot makes it even less likely anyone would take the picks.
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Post by Philly on Jul 9, 2015 12:50:13 GMT -5
DA boss in his wisdom, has spoken.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 9, 2015 13:01:50 GMT -5
Part of the reason it is this years draft was to make the picks more valuable to increase the odds of the offer sheet "working", not knowing the draft spot makes it even less likely anyone would take the picks. And there's also this.
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 9, 2015 13:17:58 GMT -5
I don't think we should change the draft time or move the compensation picks to the next one. Things change over a year, and it's tough to predict the quality of a given draft. Everyone more or less knows about the draftees stocks in this year's draft going into our FA, so let's not complicate it by shifting it to next year's for the sake of more offer sheets. I feel we're once again beating a dead horse here..
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 9, 2015 13:18:30 GMT -5
Part of the reason it is this years draft was to make the picks more valuable to increase the odds of the offer sheet "working", not knowing the draft spot makes it even less likely anyone would take the picks. And there's also this. I don''t think that's too big of a factor. If you aren't going to match an offer, does it really matter if the picks are in 2015, 2016 and 2017 or 2016, 2017 and 2018. The unknown could actually make them more valuable. If the Bruins submit an offer sheet on one of my players, under the current rules, I know his pick this year is 24th overall, so maybe not so attractive. Next year's pick could be better. I would say a bigger factor is actually having the current year picks in hand and knowing where you are going to pick is a deterrent to team's making offer sheets in the first place. You can see what top prospect you are going to miss out on. I can see that there's pros and cons either way, but I think it would be worth it to try the change to see if it actually makes a difference and makes things more interesting. Really what do we have to lose? We don't have any offer sheets right now. So if we think it's something that we couldn't do this year, I think we should seriously consider the change for next season.
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Post by Philly on Jul 9, 2015 13:22:16 GMT -5
I don't think we should change the draft time or move the compensation picks to the next one. Things change over a year, and it's tough to predict the quality of a given draft. Everyone more or less knows about the draftees stocks in this year's draft going into our FA, so let's not complicate it by shifting it to next year's for the sake of more offer sheets. I feel we're once again beating a dead horse here.. This was about attempting to keep things moving, Eug. But Jon said he is going to run the Isles, if we don't get anyone. We trusted Corey and he burned us, listen learned.
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