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May 16, 2019 10:55:26 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on May 16, 2019 10:55:26 GMT -5
...wait what? Matthews isn't a top 5 player? Maybe not even top 20?! Dude has been in the league for 3 years....69pts, 63pts, 73pts, with 30+ goals in each. (40, 34, 37)....and he didn't even play the full year in the last 2 seasons, missing about 10-15 games each year. Those are crazy good numbers...and he would have still been the 1st line C on Toronto if JT didn't sign as well. I'll be happy to take him off your hands, lol. Happy to trade him to you if you feel hes a top 5 player thats 21 years old! Top 5 player, literally no chance. Where will he finish in Hart voting? He is a top 5 dynasty player though, and this is a dynasty league!
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Post by LeafsGM on May 16, 2019 10:56:57 GMT -5
Also Marchshit doesn't belong on any list because he's 31 and in rat years, that's like 93
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May 16, 2019 11:12:06 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on May 16, 2019 11:12:06 GMT -5
...wait what? Matthews isn't a top 5 player? Maybe not even top 20?! Dude has been in the league for 3 years....69pts, 63pts, 73pts, with 30+ goals in each. (40, 34, 37)....and he didn't even play the full year in the last 2 seasons, missing about 10-15 games each year. Those are crazy good numbers...and he would have still been the 1st line C on Toronto if JT didn't sign as well. I'll be happy to take him off your hands, lol. Happy to trade him to you if you feel hes a top 5 player thats 21 years old! Top 5 player, literally no chance. Where will he finish in Hart voting? He is a top 5 dynasty player though, and this is a dynasty league! I'd put him top 10 easily. I really don't get why you're all under-rating him so much, kid hasn't shown anything make any argument for him not being a great player. I'll happily trade you for him, since you don't think he's any good, I'm start with a 5th round pick, lol
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Post by LeafsGM on May 16, 2019 11:28:33 GMT -5
For me it's not that I'm underrating him, it's just that he still has ways to go before being viewed as a complete, dominant player. He's incredibly skilled, but tends to force a lot of plays and shots. He's big and strong, but will barely use that to his advantage or lay the odd hit. He's shown to have great vision, but his passing is underwhelming especially for a C. He has great stick handling and awareness, but is rarely, if ever, played in any defensive situations. He certainly has the IT factor and ability to put it all together, but 3 years in I see a poor man's Ovi, or a prime Jeff Carter, which is obviously still amazing but not top of the food chain. His $12.5 million AAV would indicate otherwise..
It all goes back to my debate with the colleague, who sees him as untouchable and would not move him for 99.9% of players. I think this discussion has illustrated just how many great young players there are in the league. Look i love our Mexican Ovi as much as the next Leaf fan, but im also not as short sighted to say he's untouchable.
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May 16, 2019 12:42:00 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on May 16, 2019 12:42:00 GMT -5
Also Marchshit doesn't belong on any list because he's 31 and in rat years, that's like 93 LOL thought you were talking about Marchessault
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May 16, 2019 12:43:29 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on May 16, 2019 12:43:29 GMT -5
Happy to trade him to you if you feel hes a top 5 player thats 21 years old! Top 5 player, literally no chance. Where will he finish in Hart voting? He is a top 5 dynasty player though, and this is a dynasty league! I'd put him top 10 easily. I really don't get why you're all under-rating him so much, kid hasn't shown anything make any argument for him not being a great player. I'll happily trade you for him, since you don't think he's any good, I'm start with a 5th round pick, lol I feel like you arent reading my posts? I said he was arguably a top 5 dynasty player...
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May 16, 2019 12:45:51 GMT -5
Post by MontyBurns on May 16, 2019 12:45:51 GMT -5
3 years in I see a poor man's Ovi, or a prime Jeff Carter, which is obviously still amazing but not top of the food chain. His $12.5 million AAV would indicate otherwise.. FWIW I disagree with this. You think he will end up as a winger? Hes already as good or better than prime Jeff Carter.
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May 16, 2019 13:48:39 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on May 16, 2019 13:48:39 GMT -5
I'd put him top 10 easily. I really don't get why you're all under-rating him so much, kid hasn't shown anything make any argument for him not being a great player. I'll happily trade you for him, since you don't think he's any good, I'm start with a 5th round pick, lol I feel like you arent reading my posts? I said he was arguably a top 5 dynasty player... I'm mostly messing around at this point...but the NHL is a "dynasty league" too ya know, lol.
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May 16, 2019 13:57:01 GMT -5
Post by LeafsGM on May 16, 2019 13:57:01 GMT -5
You think he will end up as a winger? Hes already as good or better than prime Jeff Carter. Actually yes, his game is much better suited on the wing imo. Though I will say his FO% has definitely improved over the past few seasons.
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May 16, 2019 14:50:02 GMT -5
Post by Sharky on May 16, 2019 14:50:02 GMT -5
I'd put Bergeron ahead of Crosby, so agree to disagree there Gavin haha.
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May 16, 2019 15:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by MontyBurns on May 16, 2019 15:49:00 GMT -5
You think he will end up as a winger? Hes already as good or better than prime Jeff Carter. Actually yes, his game is much better suited on the wing imo. Though I will say his FO% has definitely improved over the past few seasons. Really don't agree with this. other than his rookie season he's been over 50% on faceoffs, and his corsi is amazing!
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May 16, 2019 16:21:17 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on May 16, 2019 16:21:17 GMT -5
I'd put Bergeron ahead of Crosby, so agree to disagree there Gavin haha. Yeah, but you also told me Zibanejad wasn't a 1st line C....and that Tierney was better....and we know how that one turned out
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May 16, 2019 17:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sharky on May 16, 2019 17:43:31 GMT -5
I'd put Bergeron ahead of Crosby, so agree to disagree there Gavin haha. Yeah, but you also told me Zibanejad wasn't a 1st line C....and that Tierney was better....and we know how that one turned out No, that’s just what you keep saying I said but ya I still don’t think Zibanejad is a first line center. At the end of the day Tierney turned out pretty well for me though... flipped him for a 50 point, 24 year old defenseman. Thanks for Tavares though
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May 16, 2019 17:48:03 GMT -5
Post by Hawks on May 16, 2019 17:48:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but you also told me Zibanejad wasn't a 1st line C....and that Tierney was better....and we know how that one turned out No, that’s just what you keep saying I said but ya I still don’t think Zibanejad is a first line center. At the end of the day Tierney turned out pretty well for me though... flipped him for a 50 point, 24 year old defenseman. Thanks for Tavares though I think 30 goals and 74 points disagree with that assessment. Yeah, you eventually sucked someone into taking him with all that talk Tavares was a long time ago now, you don't even have him anymore, so whatever, I got the future to look forward too, no sense looking at the past.
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May 16, 2019 21:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by Sharky on May 16, 2019 21:21:36 GMT -5
No, that’s just what you keep saying I said but ya I still don’t think Zibanejad is a first line center. At the end of the day Tierney turned out pretty well for me though... flipped him for a 50 point, 24 year old defenseman. Thanks for Tavares though I think 30 goals and 74 points disagree with that assessment. Yeah, you eventually sucked someone into taking him with all that talk Tavares was a long time ago now, you don't even have him anymore, so whatever, I got the future to look forward too, no sense looking at the past. I’m not sure 74 points is first line center material. I mean Sean Monahan outscored him and I sure don’t think Monahan is a first line center. But I do have Hedman because of that trade
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