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Post by RangersRon on Oct 15, 2009 13:44:03 GMT -5
People get ready, there a train a comin! It's called the season! It is coming fast! But not fast enough! Don't worry, be happy!
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Post by Philly on Oct 15, 2009 14:20:00 GMT -5
People get ready, there a train a comin! It's called the season! It is coming fast! But not fast enough! Don't worry, be happy! LOL i hated that song, from the 80's, it got wore out. Everyone where I worked got carried away with it
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 15, 2009 14:25:41 GMT -5
People get ready, there a train a comin! It's called the season! It is coming fast! But not fast enough! Don't worry, be happy! LOL i hated that song, from the 80's, it got wore out. Everyone where I worked got carried away with it But not many guys hera have heard it nearly as much as you or I, LOL or for that matter even knew it was a song....LOL By the way, which song lyric are you talkin about?
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 15, 2009 14:27:19 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing you guys are missing and getting all worked up about, is that nobody ever said this rule would go into effect immediately. This is something I have been thinking about for a while, so figured I'd bring it up to "discuss".
It's not just because of this season, it happens every year. I can list a bunch of players who were signed to ridiculous contracts through Unassigned silent bids that have either A. have been dropped because they never reached their potential or B. will eventually be dropped because they never reach their potential.
The two dilemas I see are that 1. Teams who sign "unknowns" for stupid contracts will obviously be against this rule, as with most things here people usually vote for themselves and not for what is actually best. 2. We might be getting all worked up for nothing, as if we continue to use the same ratings package that only contains NHL players, we'll then the majority of these overpaid players get taken off roster and moved to "Players Under Contract" anyhow. Once again taking away the "accountability" of giving stupid contracts to unproven players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 14:34:17 GMT -5
well... most people here think i signed one of the stupid contracts for unassigned, but as I said, I would be for a rule that holds GM's accountable for the signings.. I never doubted, that I'm taking a chance... but yeah... with silent bidding, maybe you do overbid because u dont know who else is going to pay what... and you do get a bit carried away.... but i am confident that I've invested in a guy that will be worth while. However, my only problem is that we dont have a formal time during the season or offseason as to where we have a list of issues or problems to be fixed, and deal with it that way... I just think its a bit disorganized and unfair... I think we should be deciding on whether or not theres a review period .... sorta lilke a GM's meeting... where they discuss issues and make decisions every so often
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 15, 2009 14:51:07 GMT -5
However, my only problem is that we dont have a formal time during the season or offseason as to where we have a list of issues or problems to be fixed, and deal with it that way... That's not totally true. Any rules that have been changed have been discussed and voted upon. I can't think of a single rule that Gavin and I said, we're putting this in now, and we don't care what anyone else in the league thinks. It's only unfair if we put in a rule that is designed to single out an individual GM and hinder them specifically. Any rule we put in affects each GM in the league exactly the same without any prejudice what so ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 15:11:08 GMT -5
We should definitely have some sort of rule to make us accountable for the contracts we hand out to unassigned players, or any player that matter, and I think having the percentage of the salary count against your cap for the remainder of the season is a fantastic idea!. I have personally been guilty of throwing larger amounts at "unproven" players. Wideman, Greene, Ramo.....some work out and some don't, but I definitely would have thought differently if I knew I couldn't drop them whenever I wanted, which I recently did with Greene. I am all for a rule like this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 15:12:49 GMT -5
Nonono... you're not understanding what i mean... I'm not saying that we dont vote on these things, I'm just saying that we should have a time annually, where we take these issues up instead of having a whole rant and rave at any given time... but I guess, theres no real complaint since nothings been decided on here. I just think that maybe we should instill a time annually, where we do review a list of things.
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Post by Philly on Oct 15, 2009 15:29:43 GMT -5
The problem with that is Kev, is like Jon says, we don't like rules or even discussions of changes that directly affect some in a negative way. I think if the staff sees a problem they point it out as soon as possible, and if they think we need to move on it, it gets put up for vote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 15:38:31 GMT -5
well.. myself and Detroit have just stated that we'd ok a rule change that might affect us negatively... so thats proof that it might work... ?
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Post by Philly on Oct 15, 2009 16:53:17 GMT -5
LOL i hated that song, from the 80's, it got wore out. Everyone where I worked got carried away with it But not many guys hera have heard it nearly as much as you or I, LOL or for that matter even knew it was a song....LOL By the way, which song lyric are you talkin about? Indeed - I picked up 2 I think one for "Peace Train" and the other of coarse is "Be Happy" Bobby Mcfarren I believe does the later and i think the o'jays do the other, all way before my time ;D
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Post by Philly on Oct 15, 2009 17:00:49 GMT -5
but i think some of your train lyrics could be the one by bill cosby about the little old man sittin on the tracks with a train comin.
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Post by Sharky on Oct 15, 2009 23:51:16 GMT -5
Philly -
No I would not have dropped Weber if he was 63 OV. THe season before last he has injury problems, but he was still fantastic. Dropping him never crossed my mind. Once again though, Weber has nothing to do with this as I am not arguing about sending players down, I'm fine with that. I just want some accountability and, based on how intensly some of you have defended your bids, I don't see why anyone should have a problem with that.
And I was unaware that was the rule... I think that needs to be changed before next season because it allows for a big loop hole. The current rules actually encourage GMs to overbid on unassigned players because 1) they can drop them if they don't turn out and 2) they can sign them to 1 year contracts, and, if they do turn out, the RFA payscale will cut your bid by 50%.
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 15, 2009 23:55:00 GMT -5
Agreed. I'd support some kind of accountability rule for unassigned bids.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 16, 2009 0:01:05 GMT -5
And I was unaware that was the rule... I think that needs to be changed before next season because it allows for a big loop hole. The current rules actually encourage GMs to overbid on unassigned players because 1) they can drop them if they don't turn out and 2) they can sign them to 1 year contracts, and, if they do turn out, the RFA payscale will cut your bid by 50%. That is a very good point Jake and I completely agree. It is a loophole that I obviously did not anticipate. But now being publicly acknowledged as a "strategy" I think some sort of adjustment is in order. And honestly I don't want to hear any "outcry" about this, as there have been a ton of loopholes that have been closed in the past once realized. We put rules in for a reason, not so they can be manipulated and exploited to your advantage.
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