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Post by Hawks on Oct 16, 2009 0:20:26 GMT -5
Well, the only way to crush the loophole IMO is to not allow RFAs to be resigned for less than the money the previous year (as was thought by SJ in the first place)
If dropping is some serious issue (which I don't think it is IMO), we could institute a rule that no player can be dropped until after his 2nd season on a teams roster. This makes you keep a player that may have shot down in ratings for an extra year before you can drop them. Makes dropping more difficult and adds a level of accountability. This shouldn't be a problem for anyone either to go in right away unless they signed a player this season with intensions to drop him next rating package.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 16, 2009 0:39:07 GMT -5
Well, the only way to crush the loophole IMO is to not allow RFAs to be resigned for less than the may the previous year (as was thought by SJ in the first place) If dropping is some serious issue (which I don't think it is IMO), we could institute a rule that no player can be dropped until after his 2nd season on a teams roster. This makes you keep a player that may have shot down in ratings for an extra year before you can drop them. Makes dropping more difficult and adds a level of accountability. This shouldn't be a problem for anyone either to go in right away unless they signed a player this season with intensions to drop him next rating package. I already have to keep track of a ton of stuff, not looking to keep track of anything else manually really
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Post by Hawks on Oct 16, 2009 1:02:11 GMT -5
Well, the only way to crush the loophole IMO is to not allow RFAs to be resigned for less than the may the previous year (as was thought by SJ in the first place) If dropping is some serious issue (which I don't think it is IMO), we could institute a rule that no player can be dropped until after his 2nd season on a teams roster. This makes you keep a player that may have shot down in ratings for an extra year before you can drop them. Makes dropping more difficult and adds a level of accountability. This shouldn't be a problem for anyone either to go in right away unless they signed a player this season with intensions to drop him next rating package. I already have to keep track of a ton of stuff, not looking to keep track of anything else manually really Well, no need to make it internal. Most signings are posted on the message board. Just copy and paste, or leave them up every year. I can move them to a separate section if needed.
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Post by AvsGM on Oct 16, 2009 1:43:53 GMT -5
I already have to keep track of a ton of stuff, not looking to keep track of anything else manually really Well, no need to make it internal. Most signings are posted on the message board. Just copy and paste, or leave them up every year. I can move them to a separate section if needed. Or we could just make it something easy like players from unassiged must be signed to a minimum of 2 years, and apply some form of the rule that if you do drop a player you are accountable for a percentage of their salary against your cap. That way there is nothing that needs to be manually tracked and looked up.
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Post by Hawks on Oct 16, 2009 8:43:01 GMT -5
Well, no need to make it internal. Most signings are posted on the message board. Just copy and paste, or leave them up every year. I can move them to a separate section if needed. Or we could just make it something easy like players from unassiged must be signed to a minimum of 2 years, and apply some form of the rule that if you do drop a player you are accountable for a percentage of their salary against your cap. That way there is nothing that needs to be manually tracked and looked up. Umm...k If keeping track of all that extra salary is easier than keeping track of the players, go for it.
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 16, 2009 10:41:11 GMT -5
I actuality no one knows for sure what will happen with these players that were signed to high contracts and Weber can be bunched in because at the time you signed him for the 6.5, there was no guarantee that you would keep him just like there was no guarantee these guys would keep these players based on the rules that are in effect and have been.
Just because Weber did work out, did not mean that in the back of your mind you had this option because you did and you could have used it, which is why the comparison. These two guys make Work out for the people who signed them and who know with Franzen out for 4 months, Leino minutes will increase ( they already have both in regular and PP) and he may end up with a nice season, then you all may have to eat humble pie.
But we can lump them all together because you all offered for potential and Weber worked for you and but no one can truly say yet if these deals will be worth it. No one!
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Post by Philly on Oct 16, 2009 10:48:07 GMT -5
I actuality no one knows for sure what will happen with these players that were signed to high contracts and Weber can be bunched in because at the time you signed him for the 6.5, there was no guarantee that you would keep him just like there was no guarantee these guys would keep these players based on the rules that are in effect and have been. Just because Weber did work out, did not mean that in the back of your mind you had this option because you did and you could have used it, which is why the comparison. These two guys make Work out for the people who signed them and who know with Franzen out for 4 months, Leino minutes will increase ( they already have both in regular and PP) and he may end up with a nice season, then you all may have to eat humble pie. But we can lump them all together because you all offered for potential and Weber worked for you and but no one can truly say yet if these deals will be worth it. No one! At the time he signed weber the payscale rules were different.
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 16, 2009 11:23:12 GMT -5
I actuality no one knows for sure what will happen with these players that were signed to high contracts and Weber can be bunched in because at the time you signed him for the 6.5, there was no guarantee that you would keep him just like there was no guarantee these guys would keep these players based on the rules that are in effect and have been. Just because Weber did work out, did not mean that in the back of your mind you had this option because you did and you could have used it, which is why the comparison. These two guys make Work out for the people who signed them and who know with Franzen out for 4 months, Leino minutes will increase ( they already have both in regular and PP) and he may end up with a nice season, then you all may have to eat humble pie. But we can lump them all together because you all offered for potential and Weber worked for you and but no one can truly say yet if these deals will be worth it. No one! At the time he signed weber the payscale rules were different. That too!
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Post by Philly on Oct 16, 2009 11:36:04 GMT -5
At the time he signed weber the payscale rules were different. That too! LOL At that time the only loophole was the farm, I thought he used that loophole quite well lol ;D
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 16, 2009 12:10:38 GMT -5
And I was unaware that was the rule... I think that needs to be changed before next season because it allows for a big loop hole. The current rules actually encourage GMs to overbid on unassigned players because 1) they can drop them if they don't turn out and 2) they can sign them to 1 year contracts, and, if they do turn out, the RFA payscale will cut your bid by 50%. That is a very good point Jake and I completely agree. It is a loophole that I obviously did not anticipate. But now being publicly acknowledged as a "strategy" I think some sort of adjustment is in order. And honestly I don't want to hear any "outcry" about this, as there have been a ton of loopholes that have been closed in the past once realized. We put rules in for a reason, not so they can be manipulated and exploited to your advantage. Well that opened up because of the new rules that were set with payscale and if someone figured out how to make it worked for them, then I guess others did not figured it out and did not do it, so boo hoo it is a bad rule. There should be something in affect that should maybe not allow this but I guess picking on it is a good way to make one feel better that they did not think of it. LOL I took a one year contract at higher rate on Moore because I had a need, had the money to spend and he is RFA after this season, so if his rating do not go up, i can keep him or not, but I am playing within the rules that are set up...Too bad it was not thought of by some I say, but for those who did figure it out, good for them! They played within the rules, period!
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 16, 2009 12:13:33 GMT -5
LOL At that time the only loophole was the farm, I thought he used that loophole quite well lol ;D I guess some were not in on to this one! So boo fukin hoo! When rules are made on fly some things will slip through, so maybe we should not changes rules on fly anymore. In addition we cannot go back years to change rules because some are affected differently. Please cut the bullshit!
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Post by RangersRon on Oct 16, 2009 12:33:51 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, here is a goal update! Leino - 2 Goals Zetterberg - 1 Goal Oh yeah! brunnstrom- 0 Goals Nice investment Ray! All is fun! ;D
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Post by Philly on Oct 16, 2009 13:06:20 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, here is a goal update! Leino - 2 Goals Zetterberg - 1 Goal Oh yeah! brunnstrom- 0 Goals Nice investment Ray! All is fun! ;D ROTFLMFAO!! Ronnie
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Post by LeafsGM on Oct 16, 2009 13:08:39 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, here is a goal update! Leino - 2 Goals Zetterberg - 1 Goal Oh yeah! brunnstrom- 0 Goals Nice investment Ray! All is fun! ;D LOL! red wings are off to a putrid start.. imagine they don't make playoffs and avs do??? wow, talk about a bizzaro nhl season
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Post by Sharky on Oct 16, 2009 13:20:11 GMT -5
You're utilizing that "loophole" (putting players on the farm is not a loophole) pretty well too Ron with Osgood and Ersberg Ray is too with all of the 3rd liner and long shot goalie he just over paid for. Weber was on the farm for 1 full season. He was rated 72 OV (old ratings). He wouldn't have made my team regardless of his salary. Theres a difference between sending players to the farm until they are ready for the pros and the loop hole I just described earlier. You guys don't seem to get it. I don't care that Ray or anyone else payed obscene amounts of money for below average players... for all I care Ray could have payed Mitchell 10 million. I just want to see those GMs take accountability for their signings. If you guys think those signings are so good, why are you so against being accountable for them in the future?
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