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Post by Philly on Mar 22, 2014 5:11:10 GMT -5
Oh, Sounds good, we should change everything to keep gm's from whining or intimidating others about a few reject votes. Then we can just give the Commish shit for pickin on us, when he pulls our trade, instead of giving each other shit cause we don't all agree on a deal. How many trades have actually been rejected?
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Post by gmcanucks on Mar 22, 2014 7:28:57 GMT -5
I don't know why we're getting all bent out of shape on this deal. There's a small amount of opposition, likely from guys voting from personal interest (just saying), on a deal that should and will pass.
To me it's a great deal for both teams. It's the classic win now or win later deal. Nashville's getting two great young players, and Edmonton, in a position to win it all, is adding two top-line "veterans". I'm a little confused actually as to who everyone thinks is getting fleeced. The guy who added two young studs, or the guy who added two resignable core players for a title run. Now if Letang and Bergeron were 35 and UFA's it might be a different story, but these are two guys, depending on Letang's health, who could very much still be in their prime.
Edmonton's taking a bit of a risk on Letang, but it's hard to argue he's one of the best defenseman in the JGHL right now. Bergeron with his 92 FO, 77 DF and 77PA is a great fit for a contender. Obviously Seguin is starting to look like he'll be a great player, and Scheiffle has great potential, as well, but it seems to me, considering their respective places in the standings, it makes perfect sense.
And as much as I agree with my good friend Kevin on possibly doing away with the trade voting system - which I think just creates bad feelings in an otherwise very respectful and friendly league - I don't think this particular deal should be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
As always, just my two cents worth and I respect anyone who has a different opinion than me.
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Post by Hawks on Mar 22, 2014 9:09:18 GMT -5
Well, I certainly wish I hadn't traded to beef up at all now. No chance I make the finals, which means I basically wasted two 1st rounders for nothing.
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Post by MontyBurns on Mar 22, 2014 10:16:15 GMT -5
Well, I certainly wish I hadn't traded to beef up at all now. No chance I make the finals, which means I basically wasted two 1st rounders for nothing. I think Seguin is being undervalued in these discussions for sure. Hes 22 (21 in JGHL), and hes a star. Those arent as common as you might think. But i think all the talk of changing the voting system is wrong. We had other systems in the past, and despite people getting pissy about a few trades, its served us well over the past 5+ years.
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Post by Hawks on Mar 22, 2014 11:45:55 GMT -5
Nah I don't undervalue Seguin, I think he's fantastic. My value in Schiefele is a bit lower than most I think. But we're still talking about a 72 and 75 OV player who are RFA. I can't even remember a time where a 75 OV RFA player went for ONE young player and basically nothing else. Its disappointing the most to see the 4th, 6th and 7th seed in the west and the 4th out of the east all drop out of the playoffs.
I just wish I had gotten the memo about it a bit sooner so I could have dropped out as well before wasting my picks.
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Post by Sharky on Mar 22, 2014 21:29:18 GMT -5
My team dropped out at the beginning of the season when I traded St. Louis. I didn't have a chance and I'm always in it to win it all, not just a round or two. Combined with the prices that highly rated players were getting as we approach the deadline, I decided to go even further and trade a few highly rated players.
I don't see why you are giving up already Gavin. You are only a few points behind Edmonton and you added Methot and Kovalchuk.
And I couldn't be more against removing the trade voting system. We need it. Experienced GMs make bad deals too.
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Post by LeafsGM on Mar 23, 2014 0:49:14 GMT -5
Yea there is no reason you should be giving up Gavin. You're literally right there. It's wouldn't be unfathomable if you beat one of the better rosters in a series. If anything i would add another piece and go for it. Nothing to lose at this point..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 0:53:04 GMT -5
Give up Gavin. You and Calgary both. And Monty too. Please?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 1:49:03 GMT -5
My team dropped out at the beginning of the season when I traded St. Louis. I didn't have a chance and I'm always in it to win it all, not just a round or two. Combined with the prices that highly rated players were getting as we approach the deadline, I decided to go even further and trade a few highly rated players. I don't see why you are giving up already Gavin. You are only a few points behind Edmonton and you added Methot and Kovalchuk. And I couldn't be more against removing the trade voting system. We need it. Experienced GMs make bad deals too. Gavin's not giving up.... it's a matter of getting sympathy votes. He's smarter than that.. i dont think that guy's ever had a bad team.. (I mean that as a compliment... this guy's seriously good) As for removing the voting system, ... of course experienced GM's make bad deals... but correct me if I'm wrong...the voting system is in place to try to make sure nobody's screwing up the league.. is the voting system in place to make sure that everybody would generally make the deal that two gm's have made? that's stupid... we shouldnt be trying to save GM's from themselves...we should simply be trying to protect the intergrity of the league
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 1:54:15 GMT -5
No but really.... i think we should think about getting rid of this voting system.... for instance, i agree that the last deal with Edmonton and Nashville was lopsided in Edmonton's favour.... in the sense that Nashville should have gotten more back, but i can understand why both made the deal they made...
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Post by Hawks on Mar 23, 2014 11:39:13 GMT -5
I may still stick it out, but I am still mulling the idea around. I am really honest when I say I wish I didn't make those trades though at this point, I'd really prefer having those 1st rounders.
Anyone got a super cheap 70+ OV player they're willing to trade for peanuts? Cause thats the only way I'm gonna be able to improve further at this point. I haven't beat Edmonton all season and his team is way better than it was before, I figure at best I make the Conf. Finals and lose in 5.
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Post by Sharky on Mar 27, 2014 10:44:11 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous Shawn lol.
I'm surprised Whitney lasted this long. 500K and good ratings. I would have thought contenders would all try to get him.
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Post by Philly on Mar 27, 2014 10:50:40 GMT -5
Maybe we did. I thought the asking price was too high. There are a few others I inquired about as well, and felt the same way about on other teams.
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Post by LeafsGM on Mar 27, 2014 10:53:13 GMT -5
Every year we see a team or two that just want it more than everyone else. I agree that probably anyone could have had Whitney for a decent price, but for one reason or another decided to hold off. Shawn clearly wants this title more than others this season, and is willing to mortgage most of his future for it.
As much as it's not fun to give everything up for a run, that's what it takes. Some people are tentative and wanna have their cake and eat it too, but others really go for it. Gonna be tough for anyone to beat the Habs this year, and for good reason.
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Post by Philly on Mar 27, 2014 10:56:54 GMT -5
He'll have to get through me, and I assure you that won't be easy, I made my deadline deals early for Riberio - Tanguay etc..
I don't have any big guns, but I do have 9 forwards in double figures (goals), so the scoring is spread out. Most all my forwards have SC's in the 70's, Monty worried I'm sure. Since I'm the only team to beat him twice LOL
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