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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 11:06:26 GMT -5
Maroon for Davidson IMO is by far the most lop sided deal we have seen at the deadline. 30+ goals for 3 points. A blue liner that barely made the bottom pairing on the Oilers. Maroon has had a very fortunate season. Yes he will likely stay with McDavid which will inflate his numbers but having wathced (unfotunately) a lot of Oilers game he is basically 100% reliant on McDavid and Draisaitl creating goals for him. It isn't like he has had a big jump in numbers because he was a late bloomer or figured something out. He is still a talentless plug that lucked out in linemates and bounces. Davidson isn't the future 10 time Norris winner many Oiler fans had him lined up to be last season but I do think he will be an NHL player for the next 5-10 years. Maybe if he gets on a bad team he could be a 4th guy.
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Post by Hawks on Apr 4, 2017 12:57:44 GMT -5
Maroon for Davidson IMO is by far the most lop sided deal we have seen at the deadline. 30+ goals for 3 points. A blue liner that barely made the bottom pairing on the Oilers. Seriously doubt Maroon keeps up those numbers. He's like Bryan Bickel in terms of skill, there is a bit, but there is no consistency.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 4, 2017 13:42:09 GMT -5
Doesn't change the fact that Maroon will have an 80 SC or so next year and Davidson has struggled at times to stay in the NHL.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 4, 2017 13:44:08 GMT -5
Maroon for Davidson IMO is by far the most lop sided deal we have seen at the deadline. 30+ goals for 3 points. A blue liner that barely made the bottom pairing on the Oilers. Seriously doubt Maroon keeps up those numbers. He's like Bryan Bickel in terms of skill, there is a bit, but there is no consistency. Yeah to me, he seem like a one year rental at least with decent numbers for that one year but mostly in SC and DF and nothis PA and PH numbers which will not be great.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 4, 2017 14:58:52 GMT -5
Doesn't change the fact that Maroon will have an 80 SC or so next year and Davidson has struggled at times to stay in the NHL. Not sure with 27 goals he will get 80SC, just do not see that but since you are doing the ratings, would expect his rating to skyrocket! That means I should have at least 6 guys with 80SC, I will look forward to my top 6 to have 80SC.....
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Post by Philly on Apr 4, 2017 15:57:01 GMT -5
Slim pickins at the dead line, all the good shit is gone. Glad I got Trouba and Krejci early.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 4, 2017 15:58:09 GMT -5
Doesn't change the fact that Maroon will have an 80 SC or so next year and Davidson has struggled at times to stay in the NHL. Not sure with 27 goals he will get 80SC, just do not see that but since you are doing the ratings, would expect his rating to skyrocket! That means I should have at least 6 guys with 80SC, I will look forward to my top 6 to have 80SC..... For some reason I thought he had 32 goals, so my mistake. He will get an SC around 77-79, there isn't much variation in PH so he will be good there. With a high SC, CK, and ST rating though, he will be 72 - 73 OV. It seems weird to me people are assuming he will just be a rental. Chris Kunitz was rated well for several years as he stayed alongside Crosby. This could be a terribly lopsided trade, but I guess people care more about their personal opinions on players rather than on actual stats and ratings. Davidson is a pretty terrible return IMO. The Oiler's do not have a strong blue line and he had trouble sticking on it.
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Post by RedWings_Mike on Apr 4, 2017 15:58:29 GMT -5
Slim pickins at the dead line, all the good shit is gone. Glad I got Trouba and Krejci early. It will be interesting to see what happens in the last few minutes here if anything.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 4, 2017 16:34:20 GMT -5
Not sure with 27 goals he will get 80SC, just do not see that but since you are doing the ratings, would expect his rating to skyrocket! That means I should have at least 6 guys with 80SC, I will look forward to my top 6 to have 80SC..... For some reason I thought he had 32 goals, so my mistake. He will get an SC around 77-79, there isn't much variation in PH so he will be good there. With a high SC, CK, and ST rating though, he will be 72 - 73 OV. It seems weird to me people are assuming he will just be a rental. Chris Kunitz was rated well for several years as he stayed alongside Crosby. This could be a terribly lopsided trade, but I guess people care more about their personal opinions on players rather than on actual stats and ratings. Davidson is a pretty terrible return IMO. The Oiler's do not have a strong blue line and he had trouble sticking on it. Well gave up little less than you did, but still think you ran away with your deal too.....but I do not comment about people deals especially if I think it is a bad deal.
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Post by Philly on Apr 4, 2017 16:36:24 GMT -5
Not sure with 27 goals he will get 80SC, just do not see that but since you are doing the ratings, would expect his rating to skyrocket! That means I should have at least 6 guys with 80SC, I will look forward to my top 6 to have 80SC..... For some reason I thought he had 32 goals, so my mistake. He will get an SC around 77-79, there isn't much variation in PH so he will be good there. With a high SC, CK, and ST rating though, he will be 72 - 73 OV. It seems weird to me people are assuming he will just be a rental. Chris Kunitz was rated well for several years as he stayed alongside Crosby. This could be a terribly lopsided trade, but I guess people care more about their personal opinions on players rather than on actual stats and ratings. Davidson is a pretty terrible return IMO. The Oiler's do not have a strong blue line and he had trouble sticking on it. Not to mention, a cheap contract as well next season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 16:47:18 GMT -5
Why shouldn't people rely on their personal opinions on players?
If my opinion is that Maroon is not a 25-30 goal guy long term why should I ignore that?
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Post by Sharky on Apr 4, 2017 16:55:12 GMT -5
Why shouldn't people rely on their personal opinions on players? If my opinion is that Maroon is not a 25-30 goal guy long term why should I ignore that? Because that is factually wrong this year and he will be rated as a 25-30 goal player next year.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 4, 2017 16:57:55 GMT -5
I don;t think anyone should hold back their opinion, I just do not do it unless it is really crazy, since no one truly knows what future hold, it is always a wait and see. If I get more one one good year of solid numbers from him it was a good trade for me, but if Davidson continues to play well for Canadians, it is a good trade for Ducks plus gets a pick, but like all our trades most are wait and see. Davidson is cheap too. But I sure the hell hope he is a 25 to 30 guy for more than one year but his history says different.
besides opinions are just that - opinions!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 17:08:44 GMT -5
Because that is factually wrong this year and he will be rated as a 25-30 goal player next year. We don't know if it is factually wrong. I said long term not next year. Yes next year he will have very good SC ratings but if I think that is going to be an anomoly I don't think I should rate Maroon as a long term high 70's/80 SC guy.
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Post by LeafsGM on Apr 4, 2017 17:34:05 GMT -5
Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got em. That's my only contribution.
Also, thanks Jon for keeping it smooth through the deadline and overall. We've seen a high volume of deals going back weeks and it's all been without incident and animosity. Well, mostly! Happy playoff hunting and positioning to all.
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