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Post by Philly on Apr 5, 2010 14:30:59 GMT -5
21 trades in a week, I think most got what they wanted, to some degree. I think all did a great job voting - fair trades - ETC.. There is a big move in the league for youth, and no one wants to part with very much of it. No.1 picks are priceless and very hard to get, imo it reflects the maturity of the league and certainly a good understanding of value of assets in the JGHL The league gets smarter every year. Long term core members and good staff all comin together better and better.
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Post by Hawks on Apr 5, 2010 14:43:51 GMT -5
Bout time those 1st's got the value they deserved.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 5, 2010 14:46:58 GMT -5
Well i guess I did care for extension as the guy I was talkin with forgot it was early......
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Post by LeafsGM on Apr 5, 2010 17:09:54 GMT -5
Holy bejesus Ron those are some massive deals. Way to get great value for DK, Wilson and Kane are both franchise guys, plus tyutin and a 1st! Monty looks like he's all in, better hope you don't get rivered Shawn I'm less of a fan of the Staal deal, mostly because you just increased Chris' chances at a 4 peat.... Otherwise, that's a solid revamp/retool! Bring on the playoffs boys. I'm ready for a Cinderella run
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Post by Sharky on Apr 5, 2010 17:17:40 GMT -5
I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out.
In just one day, New Jersey completely changed his core. Those trades are going to pay off big time long term IMO. Before today, his best forward was Jordan Staal, who is a good player, but doesn't seem to have much offensive potential. After today, he has three young forwards in Kane, Wilson and Voracek, all of which have 1st line/game breaker potential. Defenseman like Keith are hard to come by, but he should be easily replaced by Tyutin and Pitkanen.
With Duncan Keith getting added to analready awesome core of Ovechkin, Sedin, Backstrom and Chara, Montreal should still be a force next year, but Shawn's going to have to do a lot of work in the off season to fill out his roster.
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Post by Philly on Apr 5, 2010 18:21:40 GMT -5
I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out. In just one day, New Jersey completely changed his core. Those trades are going to pay off big time long term IMO. Before today, his best forward was Jordan Staal, who is a good player, but doesn't seem to have much offensive potential. After today, he has three young forwards in Kane, Wilson and Voracek, all of which have 1st line/game breaker potential. Defenseman like Keith are hard to come by, but he should be easily replaced by Tyutin and Pitkanen. With Duncan Keith getting added to analready awesome core of Ovechkin, Sedin, Backstrom and Chara, Montreal should still be a force next year, but Shawn's going to have to do a lot of work in the off season to fill out his roster. Can't forget Frolik as well. A good return for Ruutu from Chicago a ways back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 23:31:49 GMT -5
I really, really like all of the trades New Jersey has made this season. But especially these last few lined him up with some really nice names for the future, very impressive! Calgary.....well, not so much
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Post by MontyBurns on Apr 5, 2010 23:42:33 GMT -5
I really, really like all of the trades New Jersey has made this season. But especially these last few lined him up with some really nice names for the future, very impressive! Calgary.....well, not so much regrettably I also really like what NJ did...
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 6, 2010 11:24:14 GMT -5
I really, really like all of the trades New Jersey has made this season. But especially these last few lined him up with some really nice names for the future, very impressive! Thank you! I like the direction my team is going too. Tough to move Keith and Staal ( more Keith) but figured, going younger might as well continue that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 13:06:00 GMT -5
Yeah nice moves.....for Staal ...eh tough call.
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Post by RangersRon on Apr 6, 2010 13:11:01 GMT -5
You are so right it was tough and if Vocacek was not in deal, it probably would not have happened. He is going to be a top line player and scorer ( I hope ) where although I had to use Staal on first line, not sure he is first line C, at least not yet, but I also see him as someday a guy who can get 80 pts and stay on the plus side of rthings, but Vocacek was key here
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Post by Hawks on Apr 6, 2010 16:09:17 GMT -5
I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out. In just one day, New Jersey completely changed his core. Those trades are going to pay off big time long term IMO. Before today, his best forward was Jordan Staal, who is a good player, but doesn't seem to have much offensive potential. After today, he has three young forwards in Kane, Wilson and Voracek, all of which have 1st line/game breaker potential. Defenseman like Keith are hard to come by, but he should be easily replaced by Tyutin and Pitkanen. With Duncan Keith getting added to analready awesome core of Ovechkin, Sedin, Backstrom and Chara, Montreal should still be a force next year, but Shawn's going to have to do a lot of work in the off season to fill out his roster. "I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out." Ironic that 70% of the names mentioned in your post were 1st rounders Only ones that weren't were Keith, Chara, and Tyutin
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Post by MontyBurns on Apr 6, 2010 16:49:00 GMT -5
I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out. In just one day, New Jersey completely changed his core. Those trades are going to pay off big time long term IMO. Before today, his best forward was Jordan Staal, who is a good player, but doesn't seem to have much offensive potential. After today, he has three young forwards in Kane, Wilson and Voracek, all of which have 1st line/game breaker potential. Defenseman like Keith are hard to come by, but he should be easily replaced by Tyutin and Pitkanen. With Duncan Keith getting added to analready awesome core of Ovechkin, Sedin, Backstrom and Chara, Montreal should still be a force next year, but Shawn's going to have to do a lot of work in the off season to fill out his roster. "I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out." Ironic that 70% of the names mentioned in your post were 1st rounders Only ones that weren't were Keith, Chara, and Tyutin To be fair those picks were all in the top 7. Maybe low 1sts get overvalued... but the top half of every draft in the last few years has producde multiple top 6/top4 players
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Post by Sharky on Apr 6, 2010 22:00:48 GMT -5
I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out. In just one day, New Jersey completely changed his core. Those trades are going to pay off big time long term IMO. Before today, his best forward was Jordan Staal, who is a good player, but doesn't seem to have much offensive potential. After today, he has three young forwards in Kane, Wilson and Voracek, all of which have 1st line/game breaker potential. Defenseman like Keith are hard to come by, but he should be easily replaced by Tyutin and Pitkanen. With Duncan Keith getting added to analready awesome core of Ovechkin, Sedin, Backstrom and Chara, Montreal should still be a force next year, but Shawn's going to have to do a lot of work in the off season to fill out his roster. "I still think 1sts are over valued a lot. 75% of them do not turn out." Ironic that 70% of the names mentioned in your post were 1st rounders Only ones that weren't were Keith, Chara, and Tyutin Thats kind of meaningless... Pitkanen, Voracek and Kane all have shown some ability on the NHL level. Wilson has shown a lot in the AHL too. You can't just say "they were first round picks, so therefore first round picks are worth a lot". Thats called hindsight... if we could draft knowing how a player would turn out, of course first round picks would be invaluable. But we don't, and over half of first rounders bust. Look at the history: In 2002, Pitkanen's draft yearr 5 out of 30 1st rounders turned out to be very good NHLers - Pitkanen, Nash, Bouwmeester, Semin, and Ward. There were a bunch of OK players too. But nowadays in this league it seems like people flip out if you give up a 1st round pick for an average player like Steen, Upshall, Nystrom, Ballard or Bouchard (3 of those players were top 10 picks). 2003 was an exceptional year as we all know, but even then 10 players in the first round are considered busts. Plus, several players like Kositsyn, Michalek, Burns, and Zherdev look like they will be underachieving 2nd liners for life. 2004 was an above average draft too, but still 17/30 players look like busts, not including players like Ladd, Radulov, Stafford and Wheeler, who haven't produced much offensively. I didn't even include players like Dubnyk or Schneider, who haven't played in the NHL for a full season yet. If you consider all those players busts too, the odds of getting an impact player get worse. 2005 looks like an average draft. Only 4 proven NHL stars came out of it (Crosby, Ryan, Setoguchi and Kopitar), plus a few decent defensemen. There are a lot of players in that 1st round on the verge of busting- like Skille, Lee, Zagapran, O'Marra, Pokuluk, Bourett, Hanzal, Parent, Kindle, McArdle, Lashoff, Cogliano, Pelech, Finley, and Mihalik. I'm not going to go past 2005, it gets too hard to evaluate the players. But first round picks are statisically more likely to bust, than to give you an NHL player. Unless you have a top ten pick (where you have more like a 60-70% chance of getting a star), I don't see the problem with moving 1sts for decent roster players. Not only do they have an impact right away, but they don't have a 60%+ chance of never making an impact in the NHL. I've only made 3 first round picks in the history of this league, none of which are currently on my roster, and yet I have built a team that includes all-stars like Stamkos, Parise, Heatley, Staal, Weber, and Quick. 1st round picks are not an invaluable commodity. Top ten picks... yes they are worth a lot, but top 15-30 picks... well... I'll take a 2nd/3rd liner over them in a second.
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Post by Hawks on Apr 7, 2010 8:37:42 GMT -5
I just said it was ironic, not that you were wrong My only real argument is that any player can become an NHL Star, and statistically, the higher they are drafted, the more likely that is to occur (scouting and all).
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