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Post by Sharky on Jul 16, 2014 13:36:18 GMT -5
If we allow an exception to the rule for goalies that played a higher number of games than the limit, I'd be fine with a 65 game limit.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 16, 2014 14:03:20 GMT -5
Sorry, Jake. Misunderstood your first post. I think your idea has merit, but I also think the initial cap should be a bit lower, say 65 games. Goalies who started more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be allowed to start that number in the subsequent JGHL season. For example, if Carey Price starts 70 games during the 2014-2015 NHL season, he'll be permitted to start up to 70 games during the 2015-2016 JGHL season. I think this addresses Jake's concern of not penalizing goalies who, in reality, do start a higher than normal number of games, while at the same time taking into account the feelings of the GMs who think the back-up goalie should start a more realistic number of times. I think that works. I think 15 starts for the backup(s) is a good number, which gives starters 69 starts. How does everyone else feel about these guidelines?
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 16, 2014 14:10:10 GMT -5
Sorry, Jake. Misunderstood your first post. I think your idea has merit, but I also think the initial cap should be a bit lower, say 65 games. Goalies who started more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be allowed to start that number in the subsequent JGHL season. For example, if Carey Price starts 70 games during the 2014-2015 NHL season, he'll be permitted to start up to 70 games during the 2015-2016 JGHL season. I think this addresses Jake's concern of not penalizing goalies who, in reality, do start a higher than normal number of games, while at the same time taking into account the feelings of the GMs who think the back-up goalie should start a more realistic number of times. I think that works. I think 15 starts for the backup(s) is a good number, which gives starters 69 starts. How does everyone else feel about these guidelines? I thought I suggested a base of 65?
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Post by LeafsGM on Jul 16, 2014 16:20:38 GMT -5
I'm okay with whatever amount of games you guys go with as long as its at least 63-65. Backups should not be playing or appearing in 20 or more.
By the way, what's gonna be the penalty for going over the limit?
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 16, 2014 16:34:29 GMT -5
I'm okay with whatever amount of games you guys go with as long as its at least 63-65. Backups should not be playing or appearing in 20 or more. By the way, what's gonna be the penalty for going over the limit? Actually, Eug, no goaltender in the NHL last year started 65 games, so basically every back-up played in or started 20 or more games. That being said, I think 65 is a good base number. I think if you go over the limit, you should lose a draft pick.
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Post by Sharky on Jul 16, 2014 17:58:56 GMT -5
Sorry, Jake. Misunderstood your first post. I think your idea has merit, but I also think the initial cap should be a bit lower, say 65 games. Goalies who started more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be allowed to start that number in the subsequent JGHL season. For example, if Carey Price starts 70 games during the 2014-2015 NHL season, he'll be permitted to start up to 70 games during the 2015-2016 JGHL season. I think this addresses Jake's concern of not penalizing goalies who, in reality, do start a higher than normal number of games, while at the same time taking into account the feelings of the GMs who think the back-up goalie should start a more realistic number of times. I think that works. I think 15 starts for the backup(s) is a good number, which gives starters 69 starts. How does everyone else feel about these guidelines? Do you agree with the exception for goalies that played over the game limit in the NHL, the season before?
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 16, 2014 18:06:26 GMT -5
I think this is the plan we should adopt:
1) Maximum 65 starts for any goaltender 2) Goaltenders who start more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be permitted to start that number of games in the following JGHL season. (i.e if Carey Price starts 70 games in 2014-2015 in the NHL, then he can start up to 70 games in the 2015-2016 JGHL season) 3) Teams will be required to monitor the number of starts for their goalies themselves. Any team exceeding the maximums will forfeit their next available 1st round draft pick.
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Post by AvsGM on Jul 16, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -5
I think this is the plan we should adopt: 1) Maximum 65 starts for any goaltender 2) Goaltenders who start more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be permitted to start that number of games in the following JGHL season. (i.e if Carey Price starts 70 games in 2014-2015 in the NHL, then he can start up to 70 games in the 2015-2016 JGHL season) 3) Teams will be required to monitor the number of starts for their goalies themselves. Any team exceeding the maximums will forfeit their next available 1st round draft pick. I like the structure of it. Two questions though..... 1. Is everyone ok with 65 games? 2. How does everyone feel about the 1st? I think that might be a little steep, maybe a 2nd?
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 16, 2014 20:06:58 GMT -5
I think this is the plan we should adopt: 1) Maximum 65 starts for any goaltender 2) Goaltenders who start more than 65 games in the previous NHL season would be permitted to start that number of games in the following JGHL season. (i.e if Carey Price starts 70 games in 2014-2015 in the NHL, then he can start up to 70 games in the 2015-2016 JGHL season) 3) Teams will be required to monitor the number of starts for their goalies themselves. Any team exceeding the maximums will forfeit their next available 1st round draft pick. I like the structure of it. Two questions though..... 1. Is everyone ok with 65 games? 2. How does everyone feel about the 1st? I think that might be a little steep, maybe a 2nd? 1. 65 games is more than any NHL goalie started last season, so I think it's a good base. 2. I picked a first because the punishment has to be something significant or people will ignore the rule. It's not that hard to keep track of your goalie starts, so it shouldn't be that difficult for any one to avoid the penalty.
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Post by Sharky on Jul 16, 2014 22:42:00 GMT -5
Those rules work for me.
As for a punishment for exceeding the max, just suspend their top rated player for one or two games. If it happens twice, suspend two of their top skaters. If it happens again, then I think you should talk about draft picks.
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Post by Philly on Jul 17, 2014 8:12:03 GMT -5
Those rules work for me. As for a punishment for exceeding the max, just suspend their top rated player for one or two games. If it happens twice, suspend two of their top skaters. If it happens again, then I think you should talk about draft picks. I agree with Jake on the punishment, and the rules on starts are fine with me, although punishments or threats have never worked in the past. It's hard enough gettin some guys to fix their injuries without auto lines, askin each GM to monitor their goalies playin time is going to be interesting, indeed. I'd be glad to give guys a heads up, providing they log- in. If we are going to put rules like this in, then imo we should make it mandatory to log in at least once a week. Price's for a good back-up should be premium this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 8:59:19 GMT -5
I think 15 games for back-up should be minimum and fine with it up to 20 but will let guys who seem to be more passionate (and/or Jon) decide.
As for punishment, and I know finding new GM's can be a pain, I think first game top player is suspended for 1-5 games, 2nd time GM is booted from league.
Taking away draft picks likely just hurts the guy that will eventually replace that GM.
If you play your goalie more than the max games it means a. you are trying to cheat or b. you are too lazy to set lines. Both are qualities I think we want removed from the league.
I would allow for Jon to handle a situation in which a guy couldn't access computer unexpectedly (as I know that has happened to me) and go off their past history to see if it was an honest mistake (ie has regularly submitted lines in the past.)
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 17, 2014 9:32:59 GMT -5
I think 15 games for back-up should be minimum and fine with it up to 20 but will let guys who seem to be more passionate (and/or Jon) decide. As for punishment, and I know finding new GM's can be a pain, I think first game top player is suspended for 1-5 games, 2nd time GM is booted from league. Taking away draft picks likely just hurts the guy that will eventually replace that GM. If you play your goalie more than the max games it means a. you are trying to cheat or b. you are too lazy to set lines. Both are qualities I think we want removed from the league. I would allow for Jon to handle a situation in which a guy couldn't access computer unexpectedly (as I know that has happened to me) and go off their past history to see if it was an honest mistake (ie has regularly submitted lines in the past.) I think Scott makes a lot of good points in his post. I wasn't thinking about the impact losing draft picks could have on the guy who potentially replaces the GM. What if we say, for a first offense, your top player is suspended for either the first two games of the playoffs or the first four games of the next regular season, if the team didn't make the playoffs. I agree with Scott, if you do this two years in a row, you should be removed. I also like his idea about Jon having some leeway when it comes to accounting for honest mistakes or unexpected access issues. There are other things in life that sometimes get in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 10:26:20 GMT -5
I have Rask. I start him for sixty games. I trade him at the deadline for Quick, who for some reason has 45 starts. Can I start Quick for another 20 games, giving my starter 80 games? Is it 65 starts per goalie for the year?
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Post by gmcanucks on Jul 17, 2014 10:33:44 GMT -5
I have Rask. I start him for sixty games. I trade him at the deadline for Quick, who for some reason has 45 starts. Can I start Quick for another 20 games, giving my starter 80 games? Is it 65 starts per goalie for the year? I think we should start calling Darren "King of Loopholes".
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